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Someone - a Melbourne listed player (probably Weideman) They - Weideman or other Melbourne listed players like Preuss or Frost, Smith Few - more than one. I expect whoever takes Hogan's place will kick at least 1-2 goals per match. (Hogan 2.1) My point being that we are not 50 goals a season worse off and we will defend better. I expect our percentage to be better next season.

Lost 50 goal plus! Hogan has not kicked 50plus in a season. I imagine someone will replace Hogan and they should kick a few. So it is wrong to say we lost 50 goals.

Missing friends in Melbourne. Freo have said he is able to be in Melbourne midweek on compassionate grounds. Had a coffee & a dart with Goodwin, discussed coming home to Melbourne if a deal could be worked out

Theo, let it go. May & KK are peanuts? You could argue that we are not going to play with one less player and that the replacement player would kick some goals therefore not a loss of 50 goals. You could argue that Hogan out allowed Weed in and the net loss if any would be minimal. You could argue that limiting the opposition forward line by a similar amount has a similar effect. A point you may have missed is that Menzels lack of forward pressure may cost as many goals as he kicks. I don't mind giving him a go but if his forward pressure did not improve dramatically he would spend the year at Casey.

I would like to suggest that those asking for a thread to be closed be banned for 1 month. If the thread is going after the month ban them for life. There are too many killjoys in life, don't come here if you don't like it. It is not compulsory.

I don't agree. What if you have 4 really good ruckmen or the 6th best inside midfielder they could be surplus in one side or top five in another side with deficiencies in that area.

Let's say that C is a pass. 9th is half way. Top 3 is top 17%. To say D+ is patently showing the writer's bias. I am accepting that TGR and yourself are negative characters, but I am happy with the direction of our club and you naysayers can have your negativity I simply disagree.

We finished in the top 4 and are one of the favorites for the flag next year. I give you an E-

Windgard?

No doubt a right royal pain in the arze.

Hawthorn - Irving Mosquito!

Is that near Cairo? BINGO!

My favorite defence for urinating in a public place. Pointing aggressively toward the police officers in court - "I'd finished pissen when youse blokes turned up so youse didn't see me doin nuthin" - Innocent until he opened his mouth.

There's a gist? Demented ramblings perhaps, but a gist!

Now I can talk behind your back. That dieter.......you wouldn't believe it

Who's Jed Lamb?

Didn't know you plucked your eyebrows Colin!

I love the idea of two monster rucks that can take the odd mark and kick the odd goal. All other sides have to reconsider how to play us particularly with our midfield being so good. We have removed a weak spot and provided valuable relief/ back up for the Gawn. If playing forward they can get a goal a match each, or dropping back cut off a goal we are a much better side.With the new rules I think we are very well placed to usher in the new era of two full time ruckmen.

So you are saying KK is not faster than Tyson? Or May is not faster than OMac /Lewis. Not sure of Preus over King/ Filipovic/Pederson. I think we have added speed and quality but lost a terrific forward (but I think we have a few)

Could be brutal. New club rule. No killing teammates at training.

I think where I differ from some is that I view the trade period as a tool not a competition. I feel it is where you go to make your team better to facilitate player movement that may be beyond your control but with the ultimate aim to come away a better team than you enter the trade period. I think if each trade is viewed as a competition the risk is potentially missing out on the ultimate goal of becoming a better team. We would all like to win every trade but sometimes we need to step back and see the big picture. Ask some questions, will this help us to make our team better? Is it the best we can do now? If yes do it.

The thing with May is that I think he will make all the other defenders walk taller, be more confident and less likely to be intimidated. Reminds me of a Big Byron. He and Jetta will be rocks.

I give up. Feel free to think we should have done better. Next time we could act tough like Dodoro and miss out on a player that wanted in.

Really, can't you see the big picture? If we received pick 2 & 23 then 2 would go for May. You need to look at all outs v all ins. One hand of poker does not tell you the full story.

How do you figure that? Hogan out May & KK in. I think we are a better side = win. You have to look at the big picture. We would not have May & KK without trading Hogan. As Mahoney said.