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There are many who would argue that Melbourne’s current woes go back a full decade to their Queens Birthday engagement of 2009 when the Demons selected a young VCE student Jack Watts to make his debut on the MCG in front of what was expected to be the club’s biggest crowd for a game described as the club’s “grand final in June”. That was the way of the world for the Dean Bailey coached Demons. The critics were skeptical of Melbourne’s decision to put a wet behind the ears schoolboy (albeit that he was a number 1 draft pick) under such immense pressure in his first AFL game against a team that had a big edge in talent and experience. When Watts was tested out physically by a school of Magpies who corralled him in a corner, the critics screamed in condemnatory terms accusing the club of sacrificing its valuable young colt on the altar for some sort of public relations stunt. The cloud of that introduction hung darkly over the player, his coaches and club officialdom for years to come and it hovered there until Jack Watts and Melbourne parted company at the end of 2017. The Demons were traveling along nicely playing an uncompromising brand of football at the half way mark of the following season but, when they came to their first Queens Birthday clash without Watts who by now, was happily ensconced outside of Victoria with Port Adelaide Power, they hit a massive snag. Max Gawn was beaten in the ruck by Brodie Grundy, Mason Cox returned to form and kicked five goals and the Pies’ midfield set up the prototype game to overcome Melbourne’s power charged on ball division. Collingwood’s last half yielded them 11 goals from 15 shots at goal. Sound familiar? Twelve months down the track and the injury riddled, wayward Demons are placed 16th on the ladder and with hope of making the finals all but lost. Max Gawn remains a ruck force but his opponent Grundy has taken over the mantle of the AFL's premier ruckman. Melbourne has a few things going for it as it approaches the weekend’s Big Freeze game against the third-placed Pies. Their injury woes are moderating and a number of players are in the mix to return to the team and particularly to shore up the defence which has been leaking easy goals with regularity. There will be a lot more pressure applied to the opposition attack this week so that we might actually see a regular football score than the 14.6, 13.7, 9.6, 15.5 or 20.6 such as we’ve seen to date. The fact that Collingwood will have a few outs from injury might also help balance the ledger and the Magpies are also under the pump to avoid a second successive upset loss at the MCG which would send them back into the pack. Last year, the Dees were the hunted but this time they are the hunters. They won’t make the mistake of throwing a young rookie into the fray as they did ten years ago but they probably won’t be able to make up the gulf in talent of the personnel available to each of the clubs either. Collingwood by 27 points. THE GAME Melbourne v Collingwood at the MCG Monday 10 June, 2019 at 3.20pm HEAD TO HEAD Overall Melbourne 83 wins, Collingwood 148 wins, 5 drawn At the MCG Melbourne 63 wins, Collingwood 81 wins, 3 drawn Last Five Meetings Melbourne 3 wins, Collingwood 2 wins The Coaches Goodwin 1 win, Buckley 2 wins MEDIA TV - Channel 7, Fox Footy Channel live at 3.00pm Radio - Triple M 3AW SEN ABC LAST TIME THEY MET Collingwood 20.13.133 defeated Melbourne 14.7.91 at the MCG in Round 12, 2018 The Demons came into the game as favourites but it was clear that the Magpies meant business. Brodie Grundy beat Max Gawn and this went a long way to nullifying the Melbourne midfield’s grunt. They managed to get the ball to the outside where they overran the Demons and Mason Cox finished them off with his height advantage up forward. THE TEAMS THE TEAMS COLLINGWOOD VFL B Brayden Maynard Jordan Roughead Levi Greenwood HB Jack Crisp Darcy Moore Jeremy Howe C Tom Phillips Scott Pendlebury Chris Mayne HF Josh Thomas Brody Mihocek Will Hoskin-Elliott F Jaidyn Stephenson Jordan De Goey Callum L. Brown FOLL Brodie Grundy Steele Sidebottom Adam Treloar I/C James Aish Mason Cox Brayden Sier Travis Varcoe EMG Ben Crocker Josh Daicos Isaac Quaynor Ben Reid IN Mason Cox Brayden Sier OUT Dayne Beams (hip) Ben Reid (omitted) MELBOURNE B Michael Hibberd Steven May Jake Lever HB James Harmes Sam Frost Christian Salem C Bayley Fritsch Jack Viney Oskar Baker HF Nathan Jones Tom McDonald Jayden Hunt F Jeff Garlett Sam Weideman Christian Petracca FOLL Max Gawn Angus Brayshaw Clayton Oliver I/C Mitch Hannan Marty Hore Tim Smith Charlie Spargo EMG Alex Neal-Bullen Braydon Preuss Billy Stretch Josh Wagner IN Marty Hore Jake Lever Steven May Christian Salem OUT Jay Kennedy Harris (omitted) Oscar McDonald (omitted) Billy Stretch (omitted) Josh Wagner (omitted) Injury list: Round 12 Marty Hore (calf) – test Jake Lever (ankle) – test Harry Petty (knee) – test Corey Maynard (concussion) – 1 week Jake Melksham (foot) – 4-6 weeks Joel Smith (groin) – 4-6 weeks Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – 6-8 weeks Neville Jetta (knee) – 6-8 weeks Tom Sparrow (knee) – 8-10 weeks Guy Walker (shoulder) – indefinite Aaron Nietschke (knee) – season Pictured below is Jack Watts with fellow Brighton Grammar students including Josh Kelly, Christian Salem and Jayden Hunt.

We will be interviewing Steven O'Dwyer on the next Demonland Podcast Tuesday 11/6 @ 8:30pm. Got a question for Strawbs then let us know.

I was checking to see if there were any images online from Training today and found this gem from a few months back. Always nice to have a free portrait taken by a professional photographer @Satyriconhome.

I'll add that it's ok to argue a point just don't make it personal with personal attacks or take the fights to other threads. If you can't stand a poster then ignore their posts, put them on ignore or use the report function if it's a genuine reportable offence. Just because someone's opinions differ from your own doesn't necessarily make it a reportable offence. Don't bait and don't rise to the bait. Play nice.

Assuming any of them are fit.

Agree with this. Also highlights how little influence the Weid has had in playing the TMac 2018 role and also the ineffectiveness of a third tall forward (when we had one in the team).

I'll leave this post up as a public warning for baiting. People complained about @Matsuo Basho yesterday and he was warned. It's only fair that you don't bait him. Enough. General warning to everyone.

Agree with Hunt but can't agree with Petracca as most disappointing. I think there are aspects of his game that are disappointing particularly his set shot goal kicking from inside 30 and his fading in and out of games but he is far from the most disappointing.

Marty Hore is clearly the biggest surprise packet. Who's your biggest disappointment of 2019? TMac is surely up there. Anyone else? You can't list the whole team.

Round 12 - The Big Freeze 5 Collingwood v Melbourne Monday, 10 June, 3.20pm AEST MCG 12.00pm: MCC gates open 12.30pm: AFL + Public reserve opens This year's match is an away game and Collingwood will now host Queen's Birthday in odd-numbered years. Here's what all fans coming to the game need to know Members Only Members with home + away game access can use their Membership to enter the game. However with a large crowd expected, Home + Away Members are encouraged to upgrade to a reserved seat via Ticketek. All other Members must purchase a General Admission ticket. General admission Tickets to the game can be purchased via Ticketek. Fight MND's Big Freeze 5 is the headline of this year's Queen's Birthday match, with plenty going on pre-game: RSVP to the Zurich Walk to the 'G - 11.30am at Federation Square Join Neale Daniher and the red + blue army for the Zurich Walk to the 'G in support of Fight MND. The event begins at 11.30am at Federation Square, with the walk leaving at 1.15pm. Let us know if you're coming and RSVP HERE There will be plenty on at Federation Square including: Big Freeze 5 beanie sales Zurich flag and collector cup giveaways Face painting Neale Daniher, Melbourne players and special guests in attendance The Big Freeze 5 Beanies Beanies are selling fast and fans are encouraged to buy online for $20 before they sell out! You'll also be able to buy them at Federation Square and around the ground (between Gates 2 and 4) before the game, however supplies will be limited. The Big Freeze slide - 2.00pm at the MCG From 2.00pm, 15 former sports stars will brave the cold and slide into the ice in support of Fight MND. This year they are: Dane Swan Lauren Jackson Bob Murphy Anna Meares Chris Judd Jobe Watson Liam Picken Brendan Fevola Bianca Chatfield Jimmy Bartel Nick Riewoldt Public transport Train The ground is located in proximity to Jolimont and Richmond train stations. Plan your trip to the game and view potential disruptions on PTV's Journey Planner. Tram The MCG is serviced by trams along Wellington Parade (Route 48 and 75) and the Olympic Park Light Rail (Route 70). Car parking All public parking will be closed at Yarra Park, with limited spaces available for mobility permit and pass holders from 8.30am at Gate 3. Road closures Brunton Avenue: 12.30pm - 6.50pm Jolimont St and Jolimont Terrace: 12.30pm - 6.50pm Wellington Parade: 5.50pm - 6.20pm General Admission bays Great Southern Stand M1-M2 Q1-Q10 Q11-Q15 Rows K-DD Ponsford Stand Q31 Rows Q-MM Q32 Rows N-MM Q33 Rows Q-MM Q34 Rows U-MM Q35 Rows U-MM Q36 Rows AA-MM Olympic Stand M56-M57 Q49-Q54 Rows S-MM Q55 Rows K-MM Please note the general admission areas are subject to change. Look out for the screens displaying the map of available general admission areas on a match day, located inside each entry gate. Cheer squad allocations Collingwood: M33 Rows A-O Melbourne: M3 Rows A-U The Demon Shop on Brunton Avenue underneath the concourse will be open extra early from 11.30am on Queen's Birthday. The shop will be open until 30 minutes after the game. TV times All broadcast info in local times. Melbourne: Seven + Fox Footy – 2.00pm Sydney: 7mate + Fox Footy – 2.00pm Brisbane: 7mate + Fox Footy – 2.00pm Adelaide: Seven + Fox Footy – 1.30pm Perth: Seven + Fox Footy – 12.00pm Tasmania: Seven + Fox Footy – 2.00pm Canberra: 7mate + Fox Footy – 2.00pm Darwin: Seven + Fox Footy – 1.30pm For all other regions and radio info, refer to the AFL Broadcast Guide. Mobile app Live scores, stats and match highlights are available at the tap of a finger in the club's mobile app. Download it for iOS or Android. Social media Match hashtag: #AFLPiesDees Follow the club on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for live match coverage and a behind-the-scenes insight into match day. VFL/VFLW double header The Casey Demons will host Collingwood in a huge double header on Sunday. VFL Round 10 Casey v Collingwood Sunday June 9, 2.10pm Casey Fields VFLW Round 5 Casey v Collingwood Sunday June 9, 11.30am Casey Fields Admission prices Melbourne/Casey Demons Members: FREE when you present your card on entry Adult General Admission: $10 Concession/Pensioner General Admission: $5 Children Under 15: Free Coverage Television Channel Seven will broadcast the VFL match live in Victoria from 2.00pm. Radio Casey Radio 3SER 97.7FM will provide play-by-play coverage of both matches from 11.00am. Social media Follow the Casey Demons on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter for behind-the-scenes + live coverage of the match. TEN YEARS AFTER by Whispering Jack There are many who would argue that Melbourne’s current woes go back a full decade to their Queens Birthday engagement of 2009 when the Demons selected a young VCE student Jack Watts to make his debut on the MCG in front of what was expected to be the club’s biggest crowd for a game described as the club’s “grand final in June”. That was the way of the world for the Dean Bailey coached Demons. The critics were skeptical of Melbourne’s decision to put a wet behind the ears schoolboy (albeit that he was a number 1 draft pick) under such immense pressure in his first AFL game against a team that had a big edge in talent and experience. When Watts was tested out physically by a school of Magpies who corralled him in a corner, the critics screamed in condemnatory terms accusing the club of sacrificing its valuable young colt on the altar for some sort of public relations stunt. The cloud of that introduction hung darkly over the player, his coaches and club officialdom for years to come and it hovered there until Jack Watts and Melbourne parted company at the end of 2017. The Demons were traveling along nicely playing an uncompromising brand of football at the half way mark of the following season but, when they came to their first Queens Birthday clash without Watts who by now, was happily ensconced outside of Victoria with Port Adelaide Power, they hit a massive snag. Max Gawn was beaten in the ruck by Brodie Grundy, Mason Cox returned to form and kicked five goals and the Pies’ midfield set up the prototype game to overcome Melbourne’s power charged on ball division. Collingwood’s last half yielded them 11 goals from 15 shots at goal. Sound familiar? Twelve months down the track and the injury riddled, wayward Demons are placed 16th on the ladder and with hope of making the finals all but lost. Max Gawn remains a ruck force but his opponent Grundy has taken over the mantle of the AFL's premier ruckman. Melbourne has a few things going for it as it approaches the weekend’s Big Freeze game against the third-placed Pies. Their injury woes are moderating and a number of players are in the mix to return to the team and particularly to shore up the defence which has been leaking easy goals with regularity. There will be a lot more pressure applied to the opposition attack this week so that we might actually see a regular football score rather than the 14.6, 13.7, 9.6, 15.5 or 20.6 such as we’ve seen to date. The fact that Collingwood will have a few outs from injury might also help balance the ledger and the Magpies are also under the pump to avoid a second successive upset loss at the MCG which would send them back into the pack. Last year, the Dees were the hunted but this time they are the hunters. They won’t make the mistake of throwing a young rookie into the fray as they did ten years ago but they probably won’t be able to make up the gulf in talent of the personnel available to each of the clubs either. Collingwood by 27 points. THE GAME Melbourne v Collingwood at the MCG Monday 10 June, 2019 at 3.20pm HEAD TO HEAD Overall Melbourne 83 wins, Collingwood 148 wins, 5 drawn At the MCG Melbourne 63 wins, Collingwood 81 wins, 3 drawn Last Five Meetings Melbourne 3 wins, Collingwood 2 wins The Coaches Goodwin 1 win, Buckley 2 wins MEDIA TV - Channel 7, Fox Footy Channel live at 3.00pm Radio - Triple M 3AW SEN ABC LAST TIME THEY MET Collingwood 20.13.133 defeated Melbourne 14.7.91 at the MCG in Round 12, 2018 The Demons came into the game as favourites but it was clear that the Magpies meant business. Brodie Grundy beat Max Gawn and this went a long way to nullifying the Melbourne midfield’s grunt. They managed to get the ball to the outside where they overran the Demons and Mason Cox finished them off with his height advantage up forward. THE TEAMS COLLINGWOOD VFL B Brayden Maynard Jordan Roughead Levi Greenwood HB Jack Crisp Darcy Moore Jeremy Howe C Tom Phillips Scott Pendlebury Chris Mayne HF Josh Thomas Brody Mihocek Will Hoskin-Elliott F Jaidyn Stephenson Jordan De Goey Callum L. Brown FOLL Brodie Grundy Steele Sidebottom Adam Treloar I/C James Aish Mason Cox Brayden Sier Travis Varcoe EMG Ben Crocker Josh Daicos Isaac Quaynor Ben Reid IN Mason Cox Brayden Sier OUT Dayne Beams (hip) Ben Reid (omitted) MELBOURNE B Michael Hibberd Steven May Jake Lever HB James Harmes Sam Frost Christian Salem C Bayley Fritsch Jack Viney Oskar Baker HF Nathan Jones Tom McDonald Jayden Hunt F Jeff Garlett Sam Weideman Christian Petracca FOLL Max Gawn Angus Brayshaw Clayton Oliver I/C Mitch Hannan Marty Hore Tim Smith Charlie Spargo EMG Alex Neal-Bullen Braydon Preuss Billy Stretch Josh Wagner IN Marty Hore Jake Lever Steven May Christian Salem OUT Jay Kennedy Harris (omitted) Oscar McDonald (omitted) Billy Stretch (omitted) Josh Wagner (omitted) Injury list: Round 12 Marty Hore (calf) – test Jake Lever (ankle) – test Harry Petty (knee) – test Corey Maynard (concussion) – 1 week Jake Melksham (foot) – 4-6 weeks Joel Smith (groin) – 4-6 weeks Aaron vandenBerg (foot) – 6-8 weeks Neville Jetta (knee) – 6-8 weeks Tom Sparrow (knee) – 8-10 weeks Guy Walker (shoulder) – indefinite Aaron Nietschke (knee) – season

@Matsuo Basho if you want to continue posting here you're going to have to stop baiting people. You've already been warned privately.

You need to call in for predictions to be official.

I thought the doom and gloom was me but it's clearly @Grapeviney. Perhaps it's just @Supermercado. Never fear a good drubbing on QB will bring us back down to earth.

Absolutely agree the he is a muppet. I just didn't want the fact that he is a muppet be the response to the question. I don't happen to agree with him in this case but I thought it was a good discussion point.

Forget the muppet that is saying it but do you agree with BT here?

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He's paying $81 at the TAB.

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Actual footage from the Carlton Board Meeting this morning. Bolton.mp4

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