Back line - Sean Wellman

Under the pump all day, undersized. Pathetic kick in plans (no plans?) from behinds. Missing Brown and Bizzle.

Verdict: Failure

Why? Lack of organisation, 1st timers (Garland et al) at sea, with no direction. Still had kick-in stuff ups in Q4

Mid-Field - Paul Williams

Poor delivery to forwards. Unable to capitalise on tap wins. Unaccountable for opponents. Continually went wide.

Verdict - Failure

Why? Apart from skill errors, disorganised, and unaccountable all game long

Forward Line - Josh Mahoney

Lack of leading. Lack of movement. Lack of organisation. Unaccountable for opponents. No defensive pressure. Poor delivery from mid-field.

Verdict - Failure

Why? See above. Particularly no change/improvement as game went on.

Senior Coach - Dean Bailey

All sections losing. Very poor 1st Q, holding 2nd Q. Disastrous 2nd half. No assistant coaches performing.

Verdict - Failure

Why? After poor 1st half, players looked as if they were playing AFL footy for 1st time in 2nd half. What did he say at half-time? No game plan. If there was one, no player knew it. 3+ months preseason! For what? Know one knew what was going on!

Overall- Pathetic failure

Make no mistake, the buck stops with Bailey. He has the coaching team he wants, and an extra $500K for football department.

Back line - Sean Wellman

Under the pump all day, undersized. Pathetic kick in plans (no plans?) from behinds. Missing Brown and Bizzle.

Verdict: Failure

Why? Lack of organisation, 1st timers (Garland et al) at sea, with no direction. Still had kick-in stuff ups in Q4

Mid-Field - Paul Williams

Poor delivery to forwards. Unable to capitalise on tap wins. Unaccountable for opponents. Continually went wide.

Verdict - Failure

Why? Apart from skill errors, disorganised, and unaccountable all game long

Forward Line - Josh Mahoney

Lack of leading. Lack of movement. Lack of organisation. Unaccountable for opponents. No defensive pressure. Poor delivery from mid-field.

Verdict - Failure

Why? See above. Particularly no change/improvement as game went on.

Senior Coach - Dean Bailey

All sections losing. Very poor 1st Q, holding 2nd Q. Disastrous 2nd half. No assistant coaches performing.

Verdict - Failure

Why? After poor 1st half, players looked as if they were playing AFL footy for 1st time in 2nd half. What did he say at half-time? No game plan. If there was one, no player knew it. 3+ months preseason! For what? Know one knew what was going on!

Overall- Pathetic failure

Make no mistake, the buck stops with Bailey. He has the coaching team he wants, and an extra $500K for football department.

You should be put down.

Disgraceful game, but it's not Bailey's job to make blokes getting $200k on average want to play football. The usual goers all tried, but its the same old story with our grossly overpaid, poorly performing senior players who won't do the hard stuff and lead by example. It's their gutless efforts that we have to thank for our overall pants performance. So you can take your one-man lynch mob and fornicate off, thank you.

Bailey deserves at least a season before he faces judgement. If this happens for the next 21 weeks, fine, knives out, but give the man a go. The first week in charge of a heartless, talentless, undeniably second-rate footy team is hardly grounds for this type of scathing criticism.

You should be put down.

Disgraceful game, but it's not Bailey's job to make blokes getting $200k on average want to play football. The usual goers all tried, but its the same old story with our grossly overpaid, poorly performing senior players who won't do the hard stuff and lead by example. It's their gutless efforts that we have to thank for our overall pants performance. So you can take your lynch mob and fornicate off, thank you.

Bailey deserves at least a season before he faces judgement. If this happens for the next 21 weeks, fine, knives out, but give the man a go. The first week in charge of a heartless, talentless, undeniably second-rate footy team is hardly grounds for this type of scathing criticism.

Agreed. But what he does at the selection table this week will speak volumes about the man

Agreed. But what he does at the selection table this week will speak volumes about the man

That's a fair point, but he can only go so far with dropping players before he has thrown the baby out with the bathwater. We are calling for wholesale changes, but it's unlikely that such an approach will yield much improvement. It might make it worse (unfathomable, I know). Some players deserve to be made an example of, but others deserve another chance.

Agreed. But what he does at the selection table this week will speak volumes about the man

Great!! The Casey Scorps have to play Sandy this coming weekend, and the Sandy team will presumably be chock-a-block full of Melbourne players dropped for poor performance this past weekend. And they'll be out to redeem themselves.

Sunday afternoon, 2pm at the Beach Oval. See you there!

Mid-Field - Paul Williams

Poor delivery to forwards. Unable to capitalise on tap wins. Unaccountable for opponents. Continually went wide.

Verdict - Failure

Why? Apart from skill errors, disorganised, and unaccountable all game long

im interested in this part. we won the tap outs, and were equal in the clearances (34 all i believe). we also had 46 inside 50's to 54.

suggests we had our fair share of the ball, had our chances, but let ourselves down with the disposal...

I think your assessment stands up Mono. One or two other [censored]-bits that annoyed me... player with the ball after mark or free does not look both ways for an option. Several times a player was clear, particularly on the members side when kicking to the Punt Rd end, and the kicker did not even look in that direction before directing the ball to the Southern Stand flank. Another one that annoys the hell out of me is when the person who retrieves the ball after the opposition has scored a behind walks into the goal square presumably for the kick-in... then puts the ball on the ground and trots out to CHB while the bloke who we deem "the kicker" trots 30 yards back to the square to take it... on a day when we have been notoriously slow and defective at bringing the ball in. Miller did this on one occasion which made me all the more angry at him for his poor defensive skilss/nouse.

You should be put down.

A bit strong, don't you think. My point is that Bailey is senior coach, and responsible for all assistant coaches appointed at his request (excepting Williams, who was carried over). No assistant coaches had any ongoing affect on their areas. What started badly finished the same eg kick ins. And following a poor first half, what did he say to make the 2nd half even worse.

A bit strong, don't you think. My point is that Bailey is senior coach, and responsible for all assistant coaches appointed at his request (excepting Williams, who was carried over). No assistant coaches had any ongoing affect on their areas. What started badly finished the same eg kick ins. And following a poor first half, what did he say to make the 2nd half even worse.

I don't think so. I don't do things by halves.

You can't come on here and slate the coach after just a single week of the real stuff has lapsed. We knew we had BIG problems at the club long before Bailey arrived, and we had a fair idea of what they were. To expect an instant resurrection is ludicrous; to lay the smackdown on Bailey when he fails to provide it even more so.

Disgraceful game, but it's not Bailey's job to make blokes getting $200k on average want to play football. The usual goers all tried, but its the same old story with our grossly overpaid, poorly performing senior players .....

I another post, I want to know why these overpaid, underperforming players should not be asked to give (at least) this weeks wages back to the club. Well, why not??

I another post, I want to know why these overpaid, underperforming players should not be asked to give (at least) this weeks wages back to the club. Well, why not??

That's a different kettle of fish matey, and a fair enough question. Its not like its any of your money that they're taking though, is it...

We knew we had BIG problems at the club long before Bailey arrived, and we had a fair idea of what they were. To expect an instant resurrection is ludicrous; to lay the smackdown on Bailey when he fails to provide it even more so.

No expectation of instant resurrection here, or to lay the smackdown on Bailey. But every supporter has a reasonable expectation that their team will be competitive, and that coaches will coach (ie respond to changes/events on the field). None of this happened on Sunday.

Take note: be competitive, not necessarily win.

Again I state, this was a club changing/generation changing loss. Make no mistake.

Great!! The Casey Scorps have to play Sandy this coming weekend, and the Sandy team will presumably be chock-a-block full of Melbourne players dropped for poor performance this past weekend. And they'll be out to redeem themselves.

Sunday afternoon, 2pm at the Beach Oval. See you there!

Don't worry mate. All that those underperforming Demons could do is make Sandy a less formidable side.

That's a different kettle of fish matey, and a fair enough question. Its not like its any of your money that they're taking though, is it...

Will be soon. What's your answer to the question??

Again I state, this was a club changing/generation changing loss. Make no mistake.

For the love of all that is red and blue, why don't you make the situation a bit more dramatic

The only way this loss would change anything is if more supporters followed your lead and went on a massive wrist-slashing rampage.

It was a bad loss, but it was one game. The whole 'woe is me' attitude is not going to make anything better.

Will be soon. What's your answer to the question??

If it was in any way plausible, I'd make the senior players give back their wage. I'm sick of our idiot senior group leeching off the club to finance their already-planned post-football pursuits. Bar Macca, we get pretty much nothing out of the collective lot of them. Some of the blokes I can tolerate, because it genuinely seems like they are hurting after performances like yesterday.

Back line - Sean Wellman

Under the pump all day, undersized. Pathetic kick in plans (no plans?) from behinds. Missing Brown and Bizzle.

Verdict: Failure

Why? Lack of organisation, 1st timers (Garland et al) at sea, with no direction. Still had kick-in stuff ups in Q4

Mid-Field - Paul Williams

Poor delivery to forwards. Unable to capitalise on tap wins. Unaccountable for opponents. Continually went wide.

Verdict - Failure

Why? Apart from skill errors, disorganised, and unaccountable all game long

Forward Line - Josh Mahoney

Lack of leading. Lack of movement. Lack of organisation. Unaccountable for opponents. No defensive pressure. Poor delivery from mid-field.

Verdict - Failure

Why? See above. Particularly no change/improvement as game went on.

Senior Coach - Dean Bailey

All sections losing. Very poor 1st Q, holding 2nd Q. Disastrous 2nd half. No assistant coaches performing.

Verdict - Failure

Why? After poor 1st half, players looked as if they were playing AFL footy for 1st time in 2nd half. What did he say at half-time? No game plan. If there was one, no player knew it. 3+ months preseason! For what? Know one knew what was going on!

Overall- Pathetic failure

Make no mistake, the buck stops with Bailey. He has the coaching team he wants, and an extra $500K for football department.

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What an absolute [censored] of a post, hate to be in a bar room brawl with you, you would give up your best mate, if you think we have a top 8 side with this group then you have now idea about football, but then again what more can one expect. We are on the right path with the club setting up the structure with the football dept and CEO but it will take time, we are not that great as people think, give it time, the Hawks did it, Saints did it and we will do it but not this year.

My rationalisation for that historic underperformance centres on the senior players belief in the new game plan. I suspect some antagonism from a group that doesn't believe fully in the re-arrangement. It seems to me that some are sulking. Take Brad Green for example, his heart was not in it for most of the first half, then suddenly in the third quarter he bursts through the centre, accelerates into the 50 and pots a sinature goal as easy as you like. I read that as a statement play... "this is what I would like to be doing if allowed to play the role". Just a perception I had at the time, a gut feeling, maybe grasping at straws but from that moment on Green appeared to be more willing to play with some authority.

Anyone care to give their assessment about Bohdan Babiczjuk our fitness coach?

Anyone care to give their assessment about Bohdan Babiczjuk our fitness coach?

good point. Get rid of him, he didn't perform last year and by the look of things he hasn't done that well this year either.