http://bigpondvideo.com/afl/41371

if people want to look at our potential pick 4, check out this link. it's long but very informative.

it's thru the afl.com.au website called "draft camp review"

Why is Richmond picking up Cale a condition of West Coast trading Mitch? The only party that could impose that condition, and even then it would only be a gentlemans agreement, is West Coast. Mitch is hardly in the position to say 'I'll only go to Richmond if you pick up Cale'. And if WC were pushing this condition, then you could be dead-set certain they are after Cotchin.

l reckon they will take one of the west aussies

i'm starting to hear so much about Masten, that it seems he's clearly the best midfielder after Cotchin and Morton.

if WestCoast dont pick this kid up, we should definitely take him.

runs a beep test of 14.12, springs in under 3 seconds. in the archetypal inside and outside midfielder. is a ball magnet, and a genuine footballer

And apparently he has OP

In that case, I wouldnt tough him with a 20 foot pole

Best case scenario: Cale Morton goes to Richmond and after Judds return home, the West Coast favour a WA player which will allow us to pick up Cotchin.

Then hopefully one of McEvoy, Henderson or Rance is still available at pick 14.

I didn't really want this bloke when I first saw reviews of him, but boy is he warming on him

RHYS PALMER

If we can't get Cotchin, then this is our bloke

At 14 I would love Alex Rance, but would settle for either Henderson, Grant or McEvoy

Yep i like your thinking 'Show Stopper'

Here's hoping we might get McKinley tomorrow, give em Ferguson

once again...Rhys Palmer with our pick # 4. FULL STOP. CAC, i hope you read this

We have all identified the holes in our list, one was a ruckman, we now have 3 young ruckman and White, we have two years for Jamar, PJ and Meesen to step up to be our No1 Ruck.

Secondly are two key post CHf and CHB, do we look at Rance and Henderson

And last we need skillfull, fast midfielders to complement our hard young midfielders we have now. I think pick 4 should be used to get depending who is avaliable one of Palmer, Masten, Ebert, Cotchin or Morton all see to fit what we need. IMO this is the way to go get one of these guys, I will leave it to CAC and Bailey to decide.

In all honesty and i know i will be crucified for saying this, they will be looking to draft a CHB as we already have a CHF in miller. Now dont get me wrong i dont think miller is anything special, but bailey clearly sees something in him, he's the coach, thus my deduction skills then suggest that we will be after a CHB not a CHF.

If everything goes perfectly we will end up with- 4 cotchin

14 Rance

If everything goes perfectly we will end up with- 4 cotchin

14 Rance

I agree, that would be my perfect November 24th aswell.

As someone who has never seen any of these players before I couldn't give an informed opinion on who we should draft. Suffice to say, I back CAC's judgment, so will be excited with whoever we get.

Unfortunately we have holes everywhere (Full back, full forward, CHF, quick outside midfielder, ruck) so I don't imagine we will fill them all with this draft. However, it is generally harder to find KPPs than midfielders, so I would be rapt if we fixed our spine in this draft and left the midfield for the next draft. I'm not saying we should go out of our way to draft big players, but rather that I hope the big players are the ones that are the best available when it comes to our picks. If they aren't, we should go for the midfielders.

If everything goes perfectly we will end up with- 4 cotchin

14 Rance

i can already feel it down below...

Cotchin or Palmer is a must with our 4th pick. Pick whoever survives the first 3 picks.

Both players are very very good and exactly what we need

Brett Ratten was just on SEN and stated they are split 2/2 on whether they should take Kruezer or Cotchin with Pick 1.

Brett Ratten was just on SEN and stated they are split 2/2 on whether they should take Kruezer or Cotchin with Pick 1.

Like hell they are. I don't believe him for a second, especially with Carlton's attrocious ruck stocks.

If you were Carlton why would you get anything other than Kreuzer? They need a ruckman! They have an absolute two handful of midfielders, i heard it also mate but i think its just being said to take away the fact that its the kreuzer cup.

Brett Ratten was just on SEN and stated they are split 2/2 on whether they should take Kruezer or Cotchin with Pick 1.

If Carlton took Cotchin and Richmond seem like they will take Cale Morton, which would the Eagles take out of Palmer or Kruezer? And we would get the one they didn't take. Looks pretty good for us either way. Hopefully Rance is still around at 14, and McEvoy/Henderson at 21.

Brett Ratten was just on SEN and stated they are split 2/2 on whether they should take Kruezer or Cotchin with Pick 1.

it was actually greg denim that stated his "sources" said they were a 2/2 split... not ratten

it was actually greg denim that stated his "sources" said they were a 2/2 split... not ratten

Great spot...Sorry....

Ratten said they hadn't decided yet and confirmed they are divided...

better?