12 hours ago, praha said:

Roos was a teacher, he put his arm around blokes. Yes he was firm and he held players to account but he was also quite zen. Confident is a given.

Goodwin was also quite tempered. I don't think he held players to account enough. And when he started to (ie. Lever this year) it came as a shock and fractured the playing group.

I guess what I am saying is that King is coming in and speaking like as if he's the principal of a school for troubled youths.

There is a tough balancing act, maybe King has been briefed that he needs to be a hard [censored]? I don't know. It might explain dumping May and Oliver, I am not massively hurt by that, but collectively with everything it does seem a little like we are losing control.

The rewriting of history post Goody's sacking is hilarious. Goody wasn't tempered. He went and shot Watts and Hogan. Both fan favourites.

Did he back in the same players for too long? Probably, but the dross that has been written about him recently is fantasy land nonsense.

Also, you're completely wrong about Roos too. He wasn't a put his arm around guys coach. He was a Ross Lyon, Al Clarkson, Chris Scott type.

He basically let his assistants run the show during the week and he'd do match day and press conferences. If you weren't in the 22, he wouldn't speak to you.

Conversely, Goody was very hands on and would be across the playing group. This is the McRae, Mitchell and Fagan approach apparently as well. It's why some of the players couldn't stand Roos and couldn't wait to play under Goody.

Edited October 4Oct 4 by Adam The God

18 hours ago, praha said:

I'm getting concerned.

King has come in with very firm, confident lines, but the last time we saw that we ended up with a season percentage of like 52%.

We're losing McVee, who chose to leave after meeting King.

We have shown May the door.

Let Petracca choose where he wants to go and now lost any chance of a reasonable trade with Flanders choosing St Kilda, unless GC magically decides to give us Humphries.

We've told Oliver that he is a VFL player in a 14th-placed team, meaning we'll get peanuts for him and still pay $700k of his salary until the end of the decade.

We have Jack Viney touring facilities.

I don't know. I think everyone needs to buckle in.

No McVee had already made his mind up before King

I don’t keep receipts but I’d love to know if the ‘imploding’ crew are the same people as the ‘hate Buckley’ crew that celebrated King’s appointment.

I’ll put my hand up / I was a Buckley guy that is now happy with the King appointment (and happy with the clean out) but there is no way there’d be as much of a player exodus if Buckley was in charge.

2 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I don’t keep receipts but I’d love to know if the ‘imploding’ crew are the same people as the ‘hate Buckley’ crew that celebrated King’s appointment.

I’ll put my hand up / I was a Buckley guy that is now happy with the King appointment (and happy with the clean out) but there is no way there’d be as much of a player exodus if Buckley was in charge.

McVee headed back to WA no matter what?

Petracca spat the dummy long ago?

FD feels May body is done! Add in attitude and trying to move some money $800K!

Oliver recent off field issues makes FD want to move him on!

Edited October 5Oct 5 by D4Life
Extra point

Painful as it is I think the footy department is doing the right thing pulling the trigger now to ensure we have a competitive team going forward and don’t end up like West Coast, hanging onto the premiership heroes way too long, look where that got them.

King seems to be coming in with a similar plan as Sam Mitchell who sacked the guys who couldn’t play the style he demanded, working well for them so far (albeit with a couple of difficult seasons which we are already in the middle of)

1 hour ago, sisso said:

King seems to be coming in with a similar plan as Sam Mitchell who sacked the guys who couldn’t play the style he demanded, working well for them so far (albeit with a couple of difficult seasons which we are already in the middle of)

Pain now is better than pain later imo. If it has to be done, do it now.

On 02/10/2025 at 19:12, rpfc said:

We are more exploding

Agree.

If we were imploding there probably wouldn't be any leaks.

22 hours ago, sisso said:

Painful as it is I think the footy department is doing the right thing pulling the trigger now to ensure we have a competitive team going forward and don’t end up like West Coast, hanging onto the premiership heroes way too long, look where that got them.

King seems to be coming in with a similar plan as Sam Mitchell who sacked the guys who couldn’t play the style he demanded, working well for them so far (albeit with a couple of difficult seasons which we are already in the middle of)

Problem is Hawthorn don't value ball winners enough and have over balanced on ball users.

We've got to be careful we don't over balance the same way and get rid of all our contested beasts. Viney appears to be near the end and certainly shouldn't be guaranteed midfield time next year.

I hope we don't go too far one way.

Humphrey is definitely the right direction. We just need to get the deal done or Trac should stay.