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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Defenders

Jake Lever (Key Defender  29yo  194cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 9   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

The three rounds post the bye is only a small sample size but whatever Rick did over the bye round... make all players do that in the upcoming bye!

What a pity we lost him against the Eagles and beyond.  Started the year as he left off in 2023 as well.

Great stuff from our champion intercept defender.  Here's to a speedy recovery!

#8  J Lever Rnds 0 to 5   Rnds 7 to 10 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 4.8 8.7 79.3 5.6 6.1 9.3
Uncontested Poss 9.0 11.0 22.2 8.7 9.7 11.3
Effective Disposals* 10.5 17.0 61.9 12.4 12.7 2.1
Disposal Effeciency % 80.4 80.3 -0.0 86.6 80.3 -6.3
Contested Marks* 0.7 1.7 150.0 0.7 1.0 46.7
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.0 - 0.1 0.0 -100.0
One Percenters* 5.8 4.7 -20.0 5.3 5.4 3.3
Clearances* 0.2 0.7 300.0 0.2 0.3 83.3
Rebound 50s* 4.7 3.7 -21.4 3.3 4.3 32.4
Inside 50s* 1.2 1.3 14.3 1.0 1.2 22.2
Tackles* 1.8 1.7 -9.1 1.1 1.8 56.4
Score Involvements* 3.2 4.3 36.8 2.0 3.6 77.8
Meters Gained 258.0 328.0 27.1 238.3 281.3 18.0
Turnovers* 2.5 4.3 73.3 2.4 3.1 29.1
Intercepts* 7.0 12.7 81.0 8.0 8.9 10.5
Tackles Inside 50* 0.0 0.3 - 0.1 0.1 22.2
Time On Ground % 90.2 96.3 6.2 97.5 92.2 -5.3
Goals* 0.2 0.0 -100.0 0.0 0.1 -
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.1 4.3 40.8 3.1 3.5 11.3

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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On 27/05/2024 at 08:54, layzie said:

Hit us with those sweet, sweet stats guys!

You do know that 

Data is not Information

Information is not Knowledge

Knowledge is not Wisdom.

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On 03/06/2024 at 14:10, jnrmac said:

Pressure acts from our defenders was practically non-existent.

 

McVee, May, Salem, Rivers. Terrible

The fact Woewodin had more then all of them is damning in itself. 

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Defenders

Tom McDonald (Key Defender  31yo  195cm)

Rnd 1 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

T-Mac has played 11 out of 12 games so far in 2024, only missing round 0.

And of course has changed roles from KF to defence.  Therefore a number of forward related metrics from 2023 are less relevant such as score involvements, tackles inside 50 & goals.

The increase in his Player Rating from 2023 to 2024 is also a little flattering given defenders are usually clocking up a number of cheap stats at times.  Nonetheless, a substantial improvement on his 2023 season.

Started the season off very well.  High accuracy with kicks and low turnovers.  In the last 6 rounds however that appears to have dropped away somewhat with turnovers up approx 87% but coming off a low base.

I wonder if that's a change in strategy at all with him being asked to take more risks going with slightly longer options and/or 45 attempts?  Or could be just a drop off in form a little on the skills side?  Champion would have that data of course.

Macca also seems to be working on his contested side with a 36% jump here in his last 6 rounds.  Bringing him back to his 2023 average.  That seems a little too cute not to have been a target as part of his role in the last 6 rounds.

Tackle averages are off dropping 30%.  Not alarming by any means but 6 weeks of data is pretty robust indicating there is a trend.

Would be interesting to put together a table of how players are trending with pressure.  Although you would need to compare their averages with AFL average pressure points against similar role playing positions to have a serious idea of how they're traveling.  Metrics which will probably never see the light of day (publicly).

Note:  Lever's table shows Rnds 7 to 10.  That should read 7 to 9 as i did not include his paltry 7% game time in round 10 in his averages.

#25  T McDonald Rnds 1 to 5  Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 3.8 5.2 36.0 5.2 4.5 -12.0
Uncontested Poss 8.2 8.3 1.6 6.2 8.3 34.2
Effective Disposals* 10.4 10.8 4.2 7.8 10.6 35.8
Disposal Effeciency % 87.1 79.1 -8.1 77.9 82.7 4.9
Contested Marks* 1.0 1.2 16.7 1.0 1.1 9.1
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.2 - 1.2 0.1 -92.2
One Percenters* 5.8 6.2 6.3 2.0 6.0 200.0
Clearances* 0.0 0.2 - 0.5 0.1 -81.8
Rebound 50s* 4.0 4.0 0.0 0.2 4.0 2300.0
Inside 50s* 1.2 0.7 -44.4 1.7 0.9 -45.5
Tackles* 2.4 1.7 -30.6 1.8 2.0 9.1
Score Involvements* 2.6 2.7 2.6 4.0 2.6 -34.1
Meters Gained 194.2 244.2 25.7 167.0 221.5 32.6
Turnovers* 1.6 3.0 87.5 2.2 2.4 9.1
Intercepts* 5.4 7.0 29.6 1.3 6.3 370.5
Tackles Inside 50* 0.0 0.0 - 0.7 0.0 -100.0
Time On Ground % 98.8 96.2 -2.6 77.0 97.4 20.4
Goals* 0.0 0.3 - 1.3 0.2 -86.4
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.3 0.0 -100.0
*DD's Player Rating  3.0 3.0 -1.4 2.1 3.0 45.2

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Player Rating Review - Defenders

Steven May (Key Defender  32yo  193cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Stonewall May has played approx 10.5 matches so far.  Missing roughly half the match against the Hawks in Rnd 2 with a rib / back injury and the following round vs Port Power.

A great start to the Premiership champ.  Rating indicates all is well, however looks can be deceiving and so can the rating.

Digging a tad deeper there may be a concern here with May.  Anything contested appears to have dropped away vs 2023 and particularly in the 2nd part of this first half season post the rib / back injury.

Contested possessions down approx one quarter vs his first 4.5 matches.

Contested marks in his last 6 matches down a massive 75% vs the first 4.5  69% if you compare it to last season's average

One percenters down 20% vs 2023 average

Tackles down a hefty 68% vs 2023

Rebound 50s off 23% vs 2023

Intercepts also down 11% on 2023

His turnovers average has improved substantially on 2023 (down 46%).  Even further if you consider his last 6 matches vs 2023 (52%).  Is this at the cost of playing a short game or not having confidence to pull the trigger on medium passes though?  Could he be restricted in some way that is not allowing him to kick through the ball and/or attack the contest / marking / intercepts / tackles?

Maysie is a tough hombre.  Is he cracking hardy and maybe masking an ongoing issue post the Rib / Back injury?

Numbers would indicate this may well be the case.  If so the bye might not come soon enough for the champ.  Let's hope there's nothing in this or nothing too serious.

#1  S May   Rnds 0 to 5  Rnds 7 to 12  % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 4.7 3.5 -25.8 4.5 4.0 -11.2
Uncontested Poss 11.0 10.8 -1.6 8.4 10.9 29.4
Effective Disposals* 15.5 17.0 9.6 14.2 16.4 15.3
Disposal Effeciency % 88.7 84.7 -4.1 82.4 86.4 4.0
Contested Marks* 2.0 0.5 -75.3 1.2 1.1 -7.3
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
One Percenters* 6.7 5.2 -23.4 6.5 5.8 -10.5
Clearances* 0.0 0.2 - 0.1 0.1 -
Rebound 50s* 5.8 4.8 -17.3 6.2 5.3 -15.6
Inside 50s* 0.9 0.5 -44.4 1.3 0.7 -49.8
Tackles* 1.6 0.5 -68.2 1.6 1.0 -40.9
Score Involvements* 2.7 3.2 17.4 2.0 3.0 44.9
Meters Gained 379.6 378.3 -0.3 407.3 378.9 -7.0
Turnovers* 2.9 2.2 -25.8 4.6 2.5 -46.1
Intercepts* 5.8 6.0 2.7 6.7 5.9 -11.6
Tackles Inside 50* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
Time On Ground % 93.3 93.7 0.4 97.1 93.5 -3.7
Goals* 0.0 0.2 - 0.0 0.1 -
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.7 3.8 2.2 3.2 3.8 17.4

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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From Chapion Data...

👉🏼  No.1 Contested Team 2021, 2022 & 2023

Now ranked 12th

👉🏼  No 1 Territory Team 2021, 2022

No 2 in 2023

Now ranked 15th.  First time in negative territory on these two metrics since 2015.

That has to be alot to do with the pressure factor and ability to retain the ball inside 50.  We are a mile off bringing any decent pressure here.  That needs immediate attention via both personnel, positions as in who plays where and the split allocated  between those shared positions / roles and lastly application / will / want & fitness?

👉🏼  6th worst ball movement 

👉🏼  3rd lowest team at scoring from turnovers, only ahead of North & West Coast.

👉🏼  4 years near or at top of table defending turnover before this season.  Now mid table.

Whatever SG was trialling / trying it's time to throw the experiment in the bin and get back to the Melbourne way...and quickly IF we're to salvage something out of this season.

Reset & review 'how / where to from here' if you want better post clearance loose ball gets, spread & ball movement and transition from the defensive mid zone.  But only after the above is substantially rectified.

Can it be done in 11 weeks?  Enough to impact and make finals?  Stranger things have happened but i doubt it.

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That last line should read... "enough to make finals AND have an impact".  I still think we're a decent chance of making it.

As to what happens if we get there... well.

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield (Wing)

Ed Langdon (Wing  28yo  182cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Ed has played 11 out of 12 games so far, missing Rnd 10 to attend the marriage of his sister.

Playing more time forward in the 2nd part of this block of games.  Hence rebound 50s are down and inside 50s up.

Score involvements & meters gained also up substantially as a result.

Effort factors like one percenters & tackles down substantially in his last five games.  One percenters not high to start with though and hasn't been a big part of Ed's game in the past.  Intercepts off a little down 11%.

Overall player rating is tracking in a similar vein to 2023 so far with some variations due to somewhat more time spent forward.

#15  Ed Langdon   Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 6.2 5.0 -18.9 6.8 5.6 -16.8
Uncontested Poss 12.8 16.0 24.7 14.0 14.3 1.9
Effective Disposals* 14.0 15.4 10.0 15.2 14.6 -3.6
Disposal Effeciency % 77.3 73.3 -4.0 75.6 75.5 -0.1
Contested Marks* 0.2 0.0 -100.0 0.0 0.1 100.0
Marks inside 50* 0.5 1.2 140.0 0.5 0.8 80.0
One Percenters* 1.2 0.2 -82.9 1.0 0.7 -27.3
Clearances* 1.2 1.0 -14.3 1.8 1.1 -40.0
Rebound 50s* 2.8 2.2 -22.4 2.0 2.5 24.4
Inside 50s* 2.0 3.0 50.0 3.3 2.5 -26.0
Tackles* 3.2 1.4 -55.8 2.4 2.4 -1.9
Score Involvements* 3.3 5.6 68.0 3.9 4.4 11.6
Meters Gained 256.0 329.6 28.8 345.4 289.5 -16.2
Turnovers* 2.5 3.8 52.0 4.4 3.1 -29.9
Intercepts* 3.2 2.8 -11.6 4.2 3.0 -28.3
Tackles Inside 50* 0.2 0.2 20.0 0.3 0.2 -33.3
Time On Ground % 92.3 90.0 -2.3 94.8 91.3 -3.5
Goals* 0.3 0.2 -40.0 0.2 0.3 20.0
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.1 3.0 -3.1 3.1 3.1 1.3

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield (Wing)

Caleb Windsor (Wing  18yo  185cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12

Has played all 12 matches with two substitutions.  Rnd 2 vs the Doggies (63% TOG)) and Rnd 7 vs the Tigers (68% TOG)

Effective disposals tracking well vs the first six weeks indicating he hasn't dropped away.  At the same time efficiency is up 4.6%.  Nice work!

Tackles, intercepts and score involvements all on the up.  The only real negative, turnovers up a little but off a reasonably low base to begin with, especially for a rookie.

Appears to be spending more time down back with rebounds up and inside 50s down a tad.

A very impressive result from the young rookie.

#6  C Windsor  Rnds 0 to 5  Rnds 7 to 12  % Change
Contested Poss 4.6 4.6 -0.9
Uncontested Poss 10.7 9.7 -9.1
Effective Disposals* 9.8 10.0 2.7
Disposal Effeciency % 66.1 70.7 4.6
Contested Marks* 0.0 0.0 -
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.5 -
One Percenters* 1.1 0.9 -17.4
Clearances* 1.8 1.4 -20.7
Rebound 50s* 1.2 1.8 41.6
Inside 50s* 2.3 1.9 -16.1
Tackles* 2.0 2.8 44.2
Score Involvements* 3.7 4.2 13.3
Meters Gained 275.8 258.1 -6.4
Turnovers* 2.8 3.7 30.1
Intercepts* 2.0 2.5 26.2
Tackles Inside 50* 0.0 0.4 -
Time On Ground % 78.3 76.3 -2.6
Goals* 0.2 0.7 296.5
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  2.1 2.3 6.4

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Tom Sparrow (Mid - Forward 24yo  183cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Tom's played all 12 matches in 2024

Started off very well.  His Player Rating for the first six weeks (3.1) was up approx 10% on his 2023 Season Rating (2.8)

The last six weeks however have not been kind to Sparrow.  Losing his initial gain plus another 21% on top.  If we compare his last six weeks rating of 2.1 to his 2023 rating (2.8), his rating for this block is down a massive 25%.

The only positive metrics are uncontested, up 16% and meters gained by a marginal 5%.  For whatever reason, Sparrow has unfortunately lost any form he found in the first six weeks and then some!

#32  T Sparrow   Rnds 0 to 5  Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 5.8 5.7 -2.9 6.0 5.8 -4.2
Uncontested Poss 9.3 10.8 16.1 11.8 10.1 -14.3
Effective Disposals* 11.3 11.2 -1.5 12.8 11.3 -11.8
Disposal Effeciency % 76.2 69.4 -6.9 72.1 72.8 0.7
Contested Marks* 0.2 0.0 -100.0 0.1 0.1 -41.7
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.2 - 0.3 0.1 -70.8
One Percenters* 1.7 1.3 -20.0 1.7 1.5 -10.0
Clearances* 2.5 1.3 -46.7 2.3 1.9 -17.9
Rebound 50s* 1.7 0.8 -50.0 1.3 1.3 -6.2
Inside 50s* 3.5 2.2 -38.1 2.7 2.8 4.4
Tackles* 5.0 3.3 -33.3 3.6 4.2 16.7
Score Involvements* 5.0 3.3 -33.3 3.9 4.2 8.0
Meters Gained 254.3 266.8 4.9 269.2 260.6 -3.2
Turnovers* 3.0 4.3 44.4 3.7 3.7 0.0
Intercepts* 2.3 2.3 0.0 2.4 2.3 -2.0
Tackles Inside 50* 0.3 0.2 -50.0 0.4 0.3 -41.7
Time On Ground % 73.8 75.3 1.5 75.2 74.6 -0.6
Goals* 0.5 0.0 -100.0 0.5 0.3 -47.5
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.1 2.1 -31.7 2.8

2.6

-8.5

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Tom Sparrow (Mid - Forward 24yo  183cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Tom's played all 12 matches in 2024

Started off very well.   His Player Rating for the first six weeks (3.1) was up approx 10% on his 2023 Season Rating (2.8)

The last six weeks however have not been kind to Sparrow.  Losing his initial gain plus another 21% on top.  If we compare his last six weeks rating of 2.1 to his 2023 rating (2.8), his rating for this block is down a massive 25%.

The only positive metrics are uncontested, up 16% and meters gained by a marginal 5%.  For whatever reason, Sparrow has unfortunately lost any form he found in the first six weeks and then some!

#32  T Sparrow   Rnds 0 to 5  Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 5.8 5.7 -2.9 6.0 5.8 -4.2
Uncontested Poss 9.3 10.8 16.1 11.8 10.1 -14.3
Effective Disposals* 11.3 11.2 -1.5 12.8 11.3 -11.8
Disposal Effeciency % 76.2 69.4 -6.9 72.1 72.8 0.7
Contested Marks* 0.2 0.0 -100.0 0.1 0.1 -41.7
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.2 - 0.3 0.1 -70.8
One Percenters* 1.7 1.3 -20.0 1.7 1.5 -10.0
Clearances* 2.5 1.3 -46.7 2.3 1.9 -17.9
Rebound 50s* 1.7 0.8 -50.0 1.3 1.3 -6.2
Inside 50s* 3.5 2.2 -38.1 2.7 2.8 4.4
Tackles* 5.0 3.3 -33.3 3.6 4.2 16.7
Score Involvements* 5.0 3.3 -33.3 3.9 4.2 8.0
Meters Gained 254.3 266.8 4.9 269.2 260.6 -3.2
Turnovers* 3.0 4.3 44.4 3.7 3.7 0.0
Intercepts* 2.3 2.3 0.0 2.4 2.3 -2.0
Tackles Inside 50* 0.3 0.2 -50.0 0.4 0.3 -41.7
Time On Ground % 73.8 75.3 1.5 75.2 74.6 -0.6
Goals* 0.5 0.0 -100.0 0.5 0.3 -47.5
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.1 2.1 -31.7 2.8

2.6

-8.5

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Our key pillars in defence are all holding up, the Duke is performing admirably but Tom Sparrow one of my favourites has fallen off a cliff.!!!

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Jack Viney (Midfield  30yo  179cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Jack has played all 12 matches in 2024.

His first six weeks were pretty much on par with his 2023 season.  Similar to Sparrow, he has also dropped away in the last six weeks in a number of areas.  In particular contested possessions, effective disposals, clearances, score involvements and turnovers.

Having said that he has improved in others such as one percenters, rebounds, tackles (including inside 50) and intercepts.

It is worth noting that Jack has been affected by some sort of shoulder issue on a few occasions.  While i'm not saying this is the sole reason or THE reason for the decline, it should not be entirely ruled out, in terms of (possibly) having some sort of impact.

One thing you know with Jack, he is certainly never going to hold back in terms of effort and commitment and his desire to turn any form issues around with hard work on the track etc.

DZ i'm sure Sparrow is doing the same.  He came into the season in pretty decent form.  Who knows what has happened in the last six weeks.  He may be carrying something or trying to shake it off also.  Maybe he would have been rested / managed at some point if we had the luxury of more mid field depth?  Same with Viney?

#7  J Viney  Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 11.7 8.5 -27.1 11.6 10.1 -13.3
Uncontested Poss 11.8 11.5 -2.8 14.0 11.7 -16.4
Effective Disposals* 15.2 12.3 -18.7 16.0 13.8 -13.8
Disposal Effeciency % 65.8 64.5 -1.3 62.9 65.1 2.2
Contested Marks* 0.0 0.2 - 0.1 0.1 -
Marks inside 50* 0.3 0.2 -0.2 0.3 0.3 -21.4
One Percenters* 1.0 1.8 83.3 1.5 1.4 -5.6
Clearances* 5.7 3.8 -32.4 5.0 4.8 -5.9
Rebound 50s* 1.3 2.5 87.5 1.2 1.9 56.2
Inside 50s* 5.5 4.7 -15.2 5.2 5.1 -2.8
Tackles* 5.7 7.7 35.3 6.0 6.7 11.1
Score Involvements* 5.5 3.7 -33.3 4.9 4.6 -6.6
Meters Gained 383.0 400.2 4.5 375.6 391.6 4.2
Turnovers* 4.2 5.5 32.0 5.6 4.8 -13.6
Intercepts* 1.7 2.5 50.0 3.3 2.1 -36.3
Tackles Inside 50* 0.8 1.7 100.0 0.7 1.3 71.9
Time On Ground % 76.7 76.7 0.0 79.1 76.7 -3.1
Goals* 0.7 0.5 -25.0 0.4 0.6 60.4
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.8 3.1 -18.5 3.7 3.5 -6.1

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Thanks DD that a big drop off from JV when you look at Clayton, Spaz and JV all three are significantly off the pace, helps explain our downward spiral.

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10 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD that a big drop off from JV when you look at Clayton, Spaz and JV all three are significantly off the pace, helps explain our downward spiral.

Yes that's right DZ.  Is it also correct to say that Tracc has upped his time forward this season significantly vs 2023?

Then there's the depth factor.

Not all is as dire as it may seem through the middle though DZ.

I think the bye will freshen a few up.  Particularly our veteran followers in Vines & Max.  As well as Clarry & Tracc. 

I also have a bit of positive news to follow shortly.  Stay tuned!

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Clayton Oliver (Midfield  26yo  189cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Our three time AA, four time club best & fairest and Premiership mid has played all 12 matches in 2024.

And he is on the improve!  And substantially so.  I'm prepared to say he is on the cusp of turning the corner.  The bye will hopefully help significantly and you just never know from there.

Is he back to his former best right now?  Nope and in some matches (in between other better ones) he is still dropping away substantially.

Is the substantial improvement off a low base in the first 6 rounds?  Yes but there was the finger issue!

Is there more work to do?  Yes a power of work if he's to get close to his best again this season!

But there is life fellow minions!  And while there's life there's hope!

To put his recovery into perspective, his player rating over the last six weeks is the equivalent to Big Maxy's season rating!

Common Clazz... you can do it son.  Keep fighting!

#13  C Oliver  Rnds 0 to 5  Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 9.8 11.8 20.3 14.5 10.8 -25.1
Uncontested Poss 13.7 13.0 -4.9 16.2 13.3 -17.9
Effective Disposals* 15.5 19.2 23.7 20.4 17.3 -15.0
Disposal Effeciency % 62.7 78.1 15.4 67.5 70.4 2.9
Contested Marks* 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -
Marks inside 50* 0.0 0.2 - 0.2 0.1 -45.8
One Percenters* 1.3 0.8 -37.5 2.0 1.1 -45.8
Clearances* 5.0 4.7 -6.7 6.6 4.8 -26.9
Rebound 50s* 0.5 1.5 200.0 2.4 1.0 -58.1
Inside 50s* 4.5 3.5 -22.2 5.2 4.0 -22.4
Tackles* 3.2 5.8 84.2 6.3 4.5 -28.7
Score Involvements* 5.5 4.5 -18.2 7.0 5.0 -28.6
Meters Gained 376.0 305.0 -18.9 438.5 340.5 -22.3
Turnovers* 5.2 4.2 -19.4 5.7 4.7 -18.0
Intercepts* 3.3 4.3 30.0 4.8 3.8 -19.6
Tackles Inside 50* 0.5 0.5 0.0 1.1 0.5 -53.6
Time On Ground % 76.5 77.0 0.5 83.5 76.8 -6.7
Goals* 0.2 0.2 0.0 0.5 0.2 -63.9
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.3 4.3 29.6 5.0 3.8 -23.2

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Christian Petracca (Midfield  28yo  189cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Are we a better team with Tracc playing more time (than usual vs say 2021 - 2023) forward?  Personally i don't think so!

He was on track for a career best year to round 6.  That's gone out the window for now it seems.  A Player Rating of 4 indicates he is now 15% off his output vs 2023.  That's a big price to pay in the middle and around the ground to net just 0.6 extra goals each game imv.

Is it time to bring Tracc back for more mid field minutes and get the balance right?  Might be outta wack the last 6 weeks!

Tell the forward line to get their fricken act together and let's get this truck back on the road!

#5  C Petracca Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 13.0 9.6 -26.2 13.8 11.2 -19.0
Uncontested Poss 12.7 12.0 -5.3 14.2 12.8 -9.5
Effective Disposals* 19.2 15.0 -21.7 19.0 17.6 -7.5
Disposal Effeciency % 72.9 68.6 -4.3 68.3 71.8 3.4
Contested Marks* 0.8 0.4 -52.0 0.2 0.6 168.3
Marks inside 50* 0.3 1.2 260.0 1.3 0.8 -33.9
One Percenters* 1.7 0.8 -52.0 0.6 1.2 91.7
Clearances* 5.2 4.2 -18.7 6.0 4.7 -21.7
Rebound 50s* 0.5 0.2 -60.0 1.6 0.3 -79.3
Inside 50s* 5.8 5.0 -14.3 5.8 5.4 -6.3
Tackles* 3.2 3.0 -5.3 4.1 3.1 -24.6
Score Involvements* 9.3 8.4 -10.0 8.3 8.5 1.8
Meters Gained 412.7 416.2 0.9 451.1 415.4 -7.9
Turnovers* 3.2 3.2 1.1 5.0 3.3 -34.4
Intercepts* 2.5 1.8 -28.0 3.1 2.2 -30.8
Tackles Inside 50* 0.7 1.2 80.0 0.7 0.8 0.1
Time On Ground % 79.5 81.2 1.7 83.7 80.7 -3.6
Goals* 0.7 1.8 170.0 1.2 1.2 -0.6
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  4.9 4.0 -17.2 4.7 4.4 -5.6

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Christian Petracca (Midfield  28yo  189cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Are we a better team with Tracc playing more time (than usual vs say 2021 - 2023) forward?  Personally i don't think so!

He was on track for a career best year to round 6.  That's gone out the window for now it seems.  A Player Rating of 4 indicates he is now 15% off his output vs 2023.  That's a big price to pay in the middle and around the ground to net just 0.6 extra goals each game imv.

Is it time to bring Tracc back for more mid field minutes and get the balance right?  Might be outta wack the last 6 weeks!

Tell the forward line to get their fricken act together and let's get this truck back on the road!

#5  C Petracca Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 13.0 9.6 -26.2 13.8 11.2 -19.0
Uncontested Poss 12.7 12.0 -5.3 14.2 12.8 -9.5
Effective Disposals* 19.2 15.0 -21.7 19.0 17.6 -7.5
Disposal Effeciency % 72.9 68.6 -4.3 68.3 71.8 3.4
Contested Marks* 0.8 0.4 -52.0 0.2 0.6 168.3
Marks inside 50* 0.3 1.2 260.0 1.3 0.8 -33.9
One Percenters* 1.7 0.8 -52.0 0.6 1.2 91.7
Clearances* 5.2 4.2 -18.7 6.0 4.7 -21.7
Rebound 50s* 0.5 0.2 -60.0 1.6 0.3 -79.3
Inside 50s* 5.8 5.0 -14.3 5.8 5.4 -6.3
Tackles* 3.2 3.0 -5.3 4.1 3.1 -24.6
Score Involvements* 9.3 8.4 -10.0 8.3 8.5 1.8
Meters Gained 412.7 416.2 0.9 451.1 415.4 -7.9
Turnovers* 3.2 3.2 1.1 5.0 3.3 -34.4
Intercepts* 2.5 1.8 -28.0 3.1 2.2 -30.8
Tackles Inside 50* 0.7 1.2 80.0 0.7 0.8 0.1
Time On Ground % 79.5 81.2 1.7 83.7 80.7 -3.6
Goals* 0.7 1.8 170.0 1.2 1.2 -0.6
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  4.9 4.0 -17.2 4.7 4.4 -5.6

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

Thanks DD Clayton clawing his way back but Tracc has dropped off sharply do we put it down to carrying to much of the load and playing forward more?

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31 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Thanks DD Clayton clawing his way back but Tracc has dropped off sharply do we put it down to carrying to much of the load and playing forward more?

Not so much carrying DZ although you would have to say on his better days he's capable of dragging us to the finish line of course.

More attributable to the extra time up forward as a rough guess.

Started off like a house on fire with more than likely a similar balance of HF / Mid mixture to last season (speculation though) before we over balanced with the push forward?

If we had plenty of depth and form in the mid field i'd say his move forward is handy.  In light of where we sit though i personally feel the call to bring his mix back towards more mid minutes can't be made soon enough.  Maybe not back to pre 2024 levels but definitely a significant pull back needed me thinks.

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Midfield

Max Gawn (Ruck  32yo  209cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

What a year so far from the skipper.  He should seriously be in contention for the Chas but as we all know it is a mid fielder's medal nowadays.

Improving his Player Rating in the second block of 6 matches is quite a feat given the level he played at in the first block!

His hit outs to advantage probably the only negative here.  Max needs some help in the middle, especially with JVR out. 

Get around the big fella!

#11  M Gawn Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12  % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 12.2 12.5 2.7 11.2 12.3 10.0
Uncontested Poss 8.5 7.7 -9.8 6.4 8.1 25.9
Effective Disposals* 11.2 14.2 26.9 10.6 12.7 19.7
Disposal Effeciency % 58.2 66.0 7.8 60.4 62.1 1.6
Contested Marks* 1.2 2.5 114.3 2.2 1.8 -15.0
Marks inside 50* 0.5 1.2 133.3 0.7 0.8 13.1
One Percenters* 1.8 3.3 81.8 3.0 2.6 -13.9
Clearances* 5.2 5.8 12.9 4.3 5.5 27.4
Rebound 50s* 3.2 1.8 -42.1 1.2 2.5 106.5
Inside 50s* 2.7 2.8 6.3 3.4 2.8 -18.4
Tackles* 4.0 2.3 -41.7 2.2 3.2 46.7
Score Involvements* 6.5 5.7 -12.8 4.8 6.1 25.6
Meters Gained 314.8 272.5 -13.4 282.6 293.7 3.9
Turnovers* 3.3 3.3 0.0 3.8 3.3 -12.0
Intercepts* 4.3 3.5 -19.2 3.0 3.9 30.6
Tackles Inside 50* 0.5 0.2 -66.7 0.5 0.3 -36.7
Time On Ground % 85.0 85.2 0.2 84.5 85.1 0.6
Goals* 0.3 0.8 150.0 0.5 0.6 10.8
Hit Outs to Adv* 11.5 8.0 -30.4 8.1 9.8 21.1
*DD's Player Rating  4.2 4.4 4.8 3.4 4.3 28.6

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Forwards

Alex Neal-Bullen (Medium Forward  28yo  182cm)

Rnd 0 to Rnd 5 vs Rnd 7 to 12   +   H&A Season 2023 vs H&A Season 2024

Nibbla has played all 12 matches in 2024

I love a positive story in a role player and this is one of them.

With time through the middle not his usual gig, he's done extremely well.

Giving up a bit on goal scoring and score involvements to get the mid minutes though.

#30  A Neil-Bullen  Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 6.7 8.0 20.0 5.4 7.3 34.9
Uncontested Poss 11.5 12.5 8.7 10.0 12.0 20.0
Effective Disposals* 12.2 14.5 19.2 10.8 13.3 23.7
Disposal Effeciency % 66.3 70.8 4.5 69.2 68.6 -0.7
Contested Marks* 0.0 0.2 - 0.0 0.1 -
Marks inside 50* 0.5 0.2 -66.7 0.4 0.3 -23.3
One Percenters* 1.3 0.8 -37.5 1.2 1.1 -7.7
Clearances* 2.2 3.0 38.5 0.9 2.6 197.1
Rebound 50s* 1.2 1.5 28.6 0.5 1.3 155.6
Inside 50s* 2.8 2.7 -5.9 3.3 2.8 -15.7
Tackles* 4.0 5.5 37.5 4.7 4.8 1.2
Score Involvements* 5.0 3.5 -30.0 4.5 4.3 -5.1
Meters Gained 261.2 271.5 4.0 287.4 266.3 -7.3
Turnovers* 4.2 4.0 -4.0 3.6 4.1 13.2
Intercepts* 2.0 2.7 33.3 2.3 2.3 -0.6
Tackles Inside 50* 0.7 1.3 100.0 0.9 1.0 15.0
Time On Ground % 79.7 79.0 -0.7 76.9 79.3 2.4
Goals* 0.8 0.2 -80.0 0.7 0.5 -32.4
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  2.8 3.2 15.3 2.5 3.0 17.1

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Mid Season Player Rating Review - Forwards

Kade Chandler (Small Forward  24yo  175cm)

Chandler has played all 12 matches in 2024

After the ANB positivity one cannot find much to like about Chandler's year so far.  Like many he started off superbly but out of his last 7 matches post Rnd 4 vs the Crows, 5 have been pretty horrific.

Every metric is down significantly bar tackles.

If it's the knee / leg issue then i'm not sure why we haven't managed him prior to now.  Might help to partially explain why the team has struggled in two of the last three weeks and why the forward line is failing this club (again).

#37  K Chandler   Rnds 0 to 5 Rnds 7 to 12 % Change 2023 2024 % Change 
Contested Poss 5.7 3.0 -47.1 4.5 4.0 -10.1
Uncontested Poss 10.5 9.0 -14.3 8.1 9.2 13.5
Effective Disposals* 11.0 7.2 -34.8 9.0 8.4 -7.0
Disposal Effeciency % 87.7 63.1 -24.6 76.2 68.7 -7.5
Contested Marks* 0.0 0.0 - 0.1 0.0 -0.1
Marks inside 50* 1.2 0.3 -71.4 1.1 0.7 -40.1
One Percenters* 1.7 0.8 -50.0 0.6 1.1 72.3
Clearances* 2.2 0.5 -76.9 0.5 1.1 103.6
Rebound 50s* 0.7 0.2 -75.0 0.4 0.4 7.7
Inside 50s* 3.8 2.5 -34.8 2.3 3.0 31.9
Tackles* 5.0 5.2 3.3 2.8 4.5 63.2
Score Involvements* 5.8 3.0 -48.6 4.7 3.8 -19.1
Meters Gained 302.3 203.8 -32.6 167.9 236.9 41.1
Turnovers* 3.2 2.3 -26.3 2.2 2.7 22.5
Intercepts* 0.8 0.7 -20.0 1.3 0.8 -40.4
Tackles Inside 50* 2.5 1.7 -33.3 1.1 1.8 72.3
Time On Ground % 93.5 81.3 -12.2 73.0 80.7 7.7
Goals* 1.3 0.5 -62.5 1.2 0.8 -28.2
Hit Outs to Adv* 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -
*DD's Player Rating  3.0 1.8 -39.2 2.3 2.1 -5.6

Stats courtesy of footwire.com & wheeloratings.com

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Poor Kade needs to be rested he is a shadow of his former self, becoming a liability and damaging his player reputation.😢😪

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There is a spot for Andy Moniz- Wakefield in our team put him in for 4-6 weeks whilst Kade Chandler is managed.

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10 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Poor Kade needs to be rested he is a shadow of his former self, becoming a liability and damaging his player reputation.😢😪

 

10 hours ago, DeeZone said:

There is a spot for Andy Moniz- Wakefield in our team put him in for 4-6 weeks whilst Kade Chandler is managed.

Yes 100% DZ.  Although we've been playing him as a small rebounding defender.  I'm sure he hasn't lost his pressure side and should still have forward craft nouse from past years in that position at Casey.

He can build back his forward play if given a block of games at senior level.  He also loves a goal and is a pretty decent crumbing goal sneak at times.  He has wheels and could assist Kozzy with some manic pressure inside 50.

I can't see it happening though.  Goodwin doesn't like to tinker too much and has not picked Moniz so far in 2.5 seasons.

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