On 10/01/2024 at 11:37, Sir Why You Little said:

What do you want me to do about it? Forget it, brush it under the Carpet maybe?

IT IS A DISGRACEFUL STATISTIC 

so, no i won’t forget it 

Losing to The Filth and Carlton in consecutive weeks….

 

True.

After two years of getting a gazillion inside 50's yet scoring enough goals is an indictment.  One is entitled to expect one's highly-paid, highly-skilled experts to derive strategies and bed them in over that time frame.

  On 10/01/2024 at 11:37, Sir Why You Little said:

What do you want me to do about it? Forget it, brush it under the Carpet maybe?

IT IS A DISGRACEFUL STATISTIC 

so, no i won’t forget it 

Losing to The Filth and Carlton in consecutive weeks….

 

I never said you should forget it or brush it under the carpet, but you’re going to the other extreme: you’re disproportionately dwelling on it, which is fine, it’s your prerogative. But need you point it out so frequently?????

  On 10/01/2024 at 11:55, redandbluemakepurple said:

True.

After two years of getting a gazillion inside 50's yet scoring enough goals is an indictment.  One is entitled to expect one's highly-paid, highly-skilled experts to derive strategies and bed them in over that time frame.

Thankyou. I truly don’t think Demon Supporters en masse are angry enough about the last 2 years. We certainly should be

  On 10/01/2024 at 11:58, Sir Why You Little said:

Thankyou. I truly don’t think Demon Supporters en masse are angry enough about the last 2 years. We certainly should be

Where’s anger gonna get us? 

  On 10/01/2024 at 11:57, WalkingCivilWar said:

I never said you should forget it or brush it under the carpet, but you’re going to the other extreme: you’re disproportionately dwelling on it, which is fine, it’s your prerogative. But need you point it out so frequently?????

Disproportionately dwelling on it?

It should be at the front of every post we all write this year

 

  On 10/01/2024 at 11:34, Diamond_Jim said:

We have not got ourselves a "game changer" since Petracca and Oliver.

The game plan is highly susceptible in key games

Can we win it from 6 in 2024 ?

May & Lever are game-changers

So are Viney & Gawn.  Fritsch when fully fit.  And how about Kozzie?  

Rivers, McVee, Sparrow, Petty, JVR, Salem, Langdon and Gus are all capable of stellar games in the future

We've finally got a good list of players and you can only find 2 players? 

It's not 2012/13 DJ

Injuries to most of our forwards last season cost the club a flag

There is no other standout reason

For years, we've seen 1 excuse after another (umpires, our drafting, the board, the coaching etc etc)

Now, a legitimate reason for not winning the flag last year is put forward and people want to blame the coach?  

Or just spit the dummy with their constant whining?  

We didn't win, get over it and go again

We've got the list and we've got the coaching. 

I've never seen the club in better shape and I go back as far as you do

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:00, Sir Why You Little said:

Disproportionately dwelling on it?

It should be at the front of every post we all write this year

 

Surely now you’re taking the p!sss

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:02, WalkingCivilWar said:

Surely now you’re taking the p!sss

Not at all. We should have 15 Cups right now 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:00, Macca said:

Injuries to most of our forwards last season cost the club a flag

There is no other standout reason

For years, we've seen 1 excuse after another (umpires, our drafting, the board, the coaching etc etc)

Now, a legitimate reason for not winning the flag last year is put forward and people want to blame the coach?  

Or just spit the dummy with their constant whining?  

We didn't win, get over it and go again

👏

In all honesty we may be a couple of years older but we have recruited on face value better than we have since 2019.

If the recruits click and fire for us eg. inside the F50 we are better placed than the past 2 years.

Our core group are still in their peak years, in my estimation we have 2-3 years in our window left.

I just want us to find composure inside our 50 delivery wise and a killer's ruthlessness when the chances arrive to kill teams off.

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:00, Macca said:

I've never seen the club in better shape and I go back as far as you do

Same 'Macca'...

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:03, Sir Why You Little said:

Not at all. We should have 15 Cups right now 

But we haven’t… and mentioning it every five minutes isn’t going to change that.

Premierships are bloody hard to win, yet clearly you and many others saw it as a given that we’d win at least three on the trot. Taking things like this for granted is a surefire way to set yourself up for disappointment. And no, I’m not saying we should hope for anything less than another Flag, but surely we don’t need to eternally dwell on the years that’ve elapsed. 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:13, WalkingCivilWar said:

But we haven’t… and mentioning it every five minutes isn’t going to change that.

Premierships are bloody hard to win, yet clearly you and many others saw it as a given that we’d win at least three on the trot. Taking things like this for granted is a surefire way to set yourself up for disappointment. And no, I’m not saying we should hope for anything less than another Flag, but surely we don’t need to eternally dwell on the years that’ve elapsed. 

Not as a given.
We have the Talent, but not the same drive we had in ‘21

We should have won both years, but we were beaten on our home deck 4 times

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:05, WalkingCivilWar said:

👏

Thanks Civ

I can understand people being disappointed with the 2 losses in the finals but reality bites and bites hard

You cannot win without talent and if the majority of your forward line is where that talent is missing, how do you win? (3 finals)

Do people think we could have won 3 finals with Upper Gully's front 6?   

The replacement forward line was not a patch on our best forward line, it's as simple as that.  That's why we lost

So to get so close in both finals says a lot about our will to win and never say die attitude - we tried our guts out but came up short

 

 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:16, Sir Why You Little said:

Not as a given.
We have the Talent, but not the same drive we had in ‘21

We should have won both years, but we were beaten on our home deck 4 times

I know. Boy, do I know. And if I didn’t know I’d know soon enough since you mention it at every. single. opportunity. For example, see above 🙄  

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:10, rjay said:

Same 'Macca'...

Financially we're doing very well, the coaching is top-notch, a great playing list, 2 training venues that are way more than adequate (we won a flag out of Casey), a united board despite the bs that gets thrown about,  70,000 members, prime time TV slots left, right & centre

The media are constantly talking about us, instead of being virtually ignored like it was in the dark days

What's not to like?  

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:21, WalkingCivilWar said:

I know. Boy, do I know. And if I didn’t know I’d know soon enough since you mention it at every. single. opportunity. For example, see above 🙄  

Sorry that you are in denial 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:17, Macca said:

Thanks Civ

I can understand people being disappointed with the 2 losses in the finals but reality bites and bites hard

You cannot win without talent and if the majority of your forward line is where that talent is missing, how do you win? (3 finals)

Do people think we could have won 3 finals with Upper Gully's front 6?   

The replacement forward line was not a patch on our best forward line, it's as simple as that.  That's why we lost

So to get so close in both finals says a lot about our will to win and never say die attitude - we tried our guts out but came up short

 

 

This is exactly how I see it. It’s so simple that I struggle to understand how others don’t see it for what it really is. Maybe they don’t wanna see it that way 🤷‍♀️ 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:24, Sir Why You Little said:

Sorry that you are in denial 

If I’m in denial, I’ll happily stay in denial. I’d rather think about what might be possible this year, not what could’ve been last year and the year before, but WASN’T. 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:27, WalkingCivilWar said:

If I’m in denial, I’ll happily stay in denial. I’d rather think about what might be possible this year, not what could’ve been last year and the year before, but WASN’T. 

It’s in the Record Books so you can always look it up….

2 Failed Campaigns with all that talent 

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:22, Macca said:

a united board despite the bs that gets thrown about,

Still not convinced about the board/management 'Macca' but that's for another time & place.

The football side of things is what PJ used to say is the business we're in and we're doing that better than I've seen in my time. I was too young to remember the golden years or Smith & Barassi.

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:24, WalkingCivilWar said:

This is exactly how I see it. It’s so simple that I struggle to understand how others don’t see it for what it really is. Maybe they don’t wanna see it that way 🤷‍♀️ 

They are just miserable types ... born pessimists.  Only happy when they've got something to whinge about

In real life outside of the internet, it's easy to get rid of those types out of our lives

But here we are!  haha

I suppose it takes all types and promotes debate

In a general sense, this place is a battle between the optimists & pessimists.  And you won't see many realists

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:30, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s in the Record Books so you can always look it up….

2 Failed Campaigns with all that talent 

I’m waiting for the obligatory “out in straight sets” quote. No futile dwelling on the past is complete without it. Over to you, SWYL…

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:30, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s in the Record Books so you can always look it up….

2 Failed Campaigns with all that talent 

Two things that consistently occur on this forum.

1. The list is overrated - it's a good list, a really good list...but there are gaps in it as there are in all teams. It's a tough competition and we are in contention. The list is not that unassailable, you need things to go your way - luck.

2. The coach is underrated - he's a very good coach. When we won the flag it was the assistants that got us there, Yze, Williams etc...when we lose finals it's all Goodwin, he can't coach, to set in his ways, no plan B. Goodwin can coach, he's proven it.

  On 10/01/2024 at 12:33, rjay said:

Still not convinced about the board/management 'Macca' but that's for another time & place.

The football side of things is what PJ used to say is the business we're in and we're doing that better than I've seen in my time. I was too young to remember the golden years or Smith & Barassi.

The board is an easy target as many are going to believe the bs that gets thrown about.  Throw enough mud, it sticks

We're doing alright at board level and as for that bloke sprouting his stuff about fair elections, he's just a pest

If we had all positions up for grabs every off-season, we'd be down the gurgler in no time

Most sporting clubs are structured at board level the same way.  Stability & continuity is vital so there has to be an element of trust

Open slather and it's a mess.  I've seen that happen too many times at local level as I'm sure you have

Mind you, I had a completely different view in 2013