9 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

69 i50s to 35 i50s

We lost the game

Is inexcusable regardless of the rwd line we had in place

Also supports Stevie May in his comments. Law of averages also backs this up about beating them. 

Boy dies this Filth need a hiding or two from us this year. 

Once in HandA and also in a Final. 
 

35 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

69 i50s to 35 i50s

We lost the game

Is inexcusable regardless of the rwd line we had in place

Agree.

Improve ball use and we are a real contender.

“Team first” return to mindset wouldn’t hurt either.

Edited January 6, 20241 yr by Redleg

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

69 i50s to 35 i50s

We lost the game

Is inexcusable regardless of the rwd line we had in place

That highlights the lack of quality amongst our forwards ... most of our entries came straight back out

If Petty, Melksham & co had have been available, our forward line would have functioned better and we would have in all likelyhood won the game

The amount of entries is also dependant on the quality of the personnel up forward and our forward line that night could best be described as C-

We've had similar quality forward lines (C-) from 2007 through to 2015 with similar results.  The amount of entries is just a number and often just a reflection on the strength of the respective midfields and/or clearances won

There were many times when we matched the i50's with the opposition during the Bailey & Neeld years ... we still got smashed

Equally, one could argue that the opposition were extremely efficient with their low number of f50 entries.  Again, a reflection on the quality of their forwards in comparison to our forwards

The following week against the Blues we matched them for i50's but the same issue was there, a lack of quality forwards.  Therefore, we lost

So, to win any game of football you need (in general terms) a decent forward line.  To win a final you need a better than decent forward line and to win 3 finals in order to win the GF, your forward line needs to be at least, very good

Our forward line during the 2023 finals series was not up to par (due to a multitude of injuries to our forwards)

 

Edited January 7, 20241 yr by Macca

Losing all those forwards last year to injury reminded me of 2007 when we lost Neitz & Robertson.  Couldn't win games without them so what did we do?  Sacked the coach

And even further back to the mid 90's when our forwards were succumbing to injuries en-masse.  Sacked another coach as a result

So now we've got many here questioning Goodwin because of something that is outside of his control (numerous injuries to key personnel up forward) 

Sure, question Goodwin on certain tactics but injuries?  Doesn't make sense

 

As for the moves the club could make ...

Definitely more midfield minutes for Kozzie

JVR to play CHF (when required) and to be used as a constant moving target

I can see Tholstrup forcing his way into the team and staying there.  Looks to me to have x-factor and that's what we need

Rivers with some midfield minutes 

With a full compliment of midfielders, Brayshaw to be used as a defensive midfielder

Sparrow to be more of a linchpin midfielder 

To be more of a corridor-centric team, Hunter & Langdon to be (periodically) used on opposite wings to normal 

We need to also find out whether Fullarton can hold down a spot as a forward/ruck.  In racing terms he's lightly raced but ruckman are a different breed and he might be able to play a vital role

Don't know enough about Jefferson but the contract extension is a pointer

Petracca to continue playing as a mid/forward

McAdam or Billings to play a role as HFF's (not sure there's room for both)

More corridor football as we need to back ourselves in on that style of footy

Backline ... business as usual

10 hours ago, Macca said:

As for the moves the club could make ...

Definitely more midfield minutes for Kozzie

JVR to play CHF (when required) and to be used as a constant moving target

I can see Tholstrup forcing his way into the team and staying there.  Looks to me to have x-factor and that's what we need

Rivers with some midfield minutes 

With a full compliment of midfielders, Brayshaw to be used as a defensive midfielder

Sparrow to be more of a linchpin midfielder 

To be more of a corridor-centric team, Hunter & Langdon to be (periodically) used on opposite wings to normal 

We need to also find out whether Fullarton can hold down a spot as a forward/ruck.  In racing terms he's lightly raced but ruckman are a different breed and he might be able to play a vital role

Don't know enough about Jefferson but the contract extension is a pointer

Petracca to continue playing as a mid/forward

McAdam or Billings to play a role as HFF's (not sure there's room for both)

More corridor football as we need to back ourselves in on that style of footy

Backline ... business as usual

not sure with the kozzie use.

He is a significant feature of the forward line, creates space when attacking, closes space as defensive forward.. Id even be happy with him flying for the speccie in a structure that included that role being supported by the other mids around him.

i Reckon weve got the list and can win flags. Go Dees

On 16/12/2023 at 20:05, Roost it far said:

Well he’d want to improve on his last match……that was a howler

I think the whole coaching panel had a very ordinary match…..just shouldn’t have lost that one..