The 2022 World Cup

[layzie 33,862]

7 hours ago, hardtack said:

No, it shows the base of the ball is over the line… however, the perimeter is not, and that is what matters. That’s my final word… bring on the rest of the games.

Correct, whole ball must cross the line. 

[roy11 3,858]

Not that I endorse Gambling, but there was a multi which was

Both there was a mutli with France and Brazil to make the final, Switzerland to make the R16 and Mbappe to win the Goldenboot at $81.

Told people to get on it, but i didn't. So i am actively barracking for Portugal/England/Argentina/Netherlands to avoid me being sad. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by roy11

[Monbon 1,840]

On 12/5/2022 at 8:11 AM, layzie said:

Correct, whole ball must cross the line. 

Look at the photo: it did. You and others have been blinded by 'science', Geometry indeed! There is grass between the ball and the line: where on earth can a ball's shadow or such be deemed part of the 'whole ball'. 

[Macca 16,997]

4 hours ago, Monbon said:

Look at the photo: it did. You and others have been blinded by 'science', Geometry indeed! There is grass between the ball and the line: where on earth can a ball's shadow or such be deemed part of the 'whole ball'. 

With VAR the widest point of the ball (the middle) is measured against the edge of the line marked on the ground ... so if 2mm of the widest part of the ball cuts across the edge of that line, the ball is deemed to have not completely crossed the line

Now you and others might not like how the ruling is adjudged but that type of ruling is right across the board for every team

It's very similar to how a tennis ball is measured against the line marking.  I agree that there is grass between the bottom of the ball and the line but that's not how the ruling is adjudged

It's the widest part of the ball against the edge of the line from an overhead viewpoint

[Monbon 1,840]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

With VAR the widest point of the ball (the middle) is measured against the edge of the line marked on the ground ... so if 2mm of the widest part of the ball cuts across the edge of that line, the ball is deemed to have not completely crossed the line

Now you and others might not like how the ruling is adjudged but that type of ruling is right across the board for every team

It's very similar to how a tennis ball is measured against the line marking.  I agree that there is grass between the bottom of the ball and the line but that's not how the ruling is adjudged

It's the widest part of the ball against the edge of the line from an overhead viewpoint

Yep, Macca, I understand all that. Souness and another Brit commentator did, howeve,r point out that to the naked eye the ball was out and called so. He then asked the simple question of why it took the VAR dudes so long to 'manufacture' their Euclid derived 'explanations'. As I have intimated, much of life is in the eyes of the beholder...

[Macca 16,997]

The mistake made was not having the overhead vision available at the time ... thus all the angst, @Monbon

But we are dealing with human beings and there is a reliance on them to make the overhead vision available

But we make errors because we're human  ... you know that saying about footy umpires... "They're only human" haha

On a lighter note is it at all possible to be able to apply VAR technology to the Harmes incident?  That would settle a few arguments!!

Edited December 6, 2022 by Macca

[Macca 16,997]

Brazil were impressive last night. Great team to watch!

As for the games tonight, both games could go down to the wire

Morocco topped their group and could trouble Spain.  But I'm reckoning Spain to win 2-1

Portugal vs Switzerland could go either way so it's a toss-up

After tonight we get 2 days break and then the matches are as follows (Q/F's)

Sat 9th 2.00am Croatia vs Brazil

Sat 9th 6.00am Netherlands vs Argentina

Sun 10th 2.00am  Morocco or Spain vs Portugal or Switzerland

Sun 10th 6.00am England vs France

[Monbon 1,840]

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

Brazil were impressive last night. Great team to watch!

As for the games tonight, both games could go down to the wire

Morocco topped their group and could trouble Spain.  But I'm reckoning Spain to win 2-1

Portugal vs Switzerland could go either way so it's a toss-up

After tonight we get 2 days break and then the matches are as follows (Q/F's)

Sat 9th 2.00am Croatia vs Brazil

Sat 9th 6.00am Netherlands vs Argentina

Sun 10th 2.00am  Morocco or Spain vs Portugal or Switzerland

Sun 10th 6.00am England vs France

Go Brazil!

[Macca 16,997]

18 minutes ago, Monbon said:

Go Brazil!

I got on with Betr to win a grand for a $10 bet ... Betr are now offering 400 in bonus cash instead but I'm holding firm (as are a couple of mates who are on Brazil as well)

#GambleResponsibly

By the way, the very definition of gambling responsibly is getting 100-1 for backing the favourite!! (With a small outlay)

But Brazil are not over the line ... they didn't win in '82 or '86 when they had a super team!

[layzie 33,862]

7 hours ago, Monbon said:

Look at the photo: it did. You and others have been blinded by 'science', Geometry indeed! There is grass between the ball and the line: where on earth can a ball's shadow or such be deemed part of the 'whole ball'. 

I was really just talking about the rule itself not the decision.  

Having said that though I think they made the right call, from all the angles we had available anyway..

Edited December 6, 2022 by layzie

[Macca 16,997]

Here's a trivia question for you good folk

The following teams all have the same thing in common at World Cup level

USA, Germany, Brazil, Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey, Sweden, Croatia, France, Poland, West Germany, Portugal, Chile & Austria

So what is it?

[Macca 16,997]

Spain out! (on penalties)

Which makes things a little easier for the winner of the France/England QF (winner will play Morocco or Portugal* in a SF)

 

*Portugal demolish the Swiss, 6-1!

21yo Goncalo Ramos (who replaced Ronaldo in the team) scores a hat trick! Looks a player too!

Edited December 6, 2022 by Macca

[layzie 33,862]

11 hours ago, Macca said:

Here's a trivia question for you good folk

The following teams all have the same thing in common at World Cup level

USA, Germany, Brazil, Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey, Sweden, Croatia, France, Poland, West Germany, Portugal, Chile & Austria

So what is it?

Haven't read all the latest posts so if the answer is there you'll have to take my word for it.

They've all played in every World Cup?

Edit: Too overzealous, it's wrong. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by layzie

[Macca 16,997]

9 hours ago, layzie said:

Haven't read all the latest posts so if the answer is there you'll have to take my word for it.

They've all played in every World Cup?

Edit: Too overzealous, it's wrong. 

A clue (don't want to drag it out too long)

Each of the teams have reached a certain level (at least once) when participating at World cup level

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

On 12/6/2022 at 10:30 PM, Macca said:

Here's a trivia question for you good folk

The following teams all have the same thing in common at World Cup level

USA, Germany, Brazil, Netherlands, Belgium, Turkey, Sweden, Croatia, France, Poland, West Germany, Portugal, Chile & Austria

So what is it?

Been thinking and thinking Macca without turning to google lol, but no cigar. It's got me.

Edited December 7, 2022 by Dee Zephyr

[layzie 33,862]

On 12/7/2022 at 6:50 AM, Macca said:

Spain out! (on penalties)

Which makes things a little easier for the winner of the France/England QF (winner will play Morocco or Portugal* in a SF)

 

*Portugal demolish the Swiss, 6-1!

21yo Goncalo Ramos (who replaced Ronaldo in the team) scores a hat trick! Looks a player too!

I'm loving watching this Morocco team at the moment, their side is very well balanced with some great flair. With a bit of luck they could make the final! 

[layzie 33,862]

13 hours ago, Macca said:

A clue (don't want to drag it out too long)

Each of the teams have reached a certain level (at least once) when participating at World cup level

Ok, let's go with quarter final stage

[Macca 16,997]

3 hours ago, layzie said:

Ok, let's go with quarter final stage

Getting warmer!

 

5 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Been thinking and thinking Macca without turning to google lol, but no cigar. It's got me.

 

[roy11 3,858]

4 hours ago, Macca said:

Getting warmer!

 

 

3rd Place "winners" as such.

I say that as 1930 WC did not have a play off.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

I’m going with Roy on the trivia. Was going to say they’ve all had a 3rd place finish. 

[Macca 16,997]

1 hour ago, roy11 said:

3rd Place "winners" as such.

I say that as 1930 WC did not have a play off.

 

55 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

I’m going with Roy on the trivia. Was going to say they’ve all had a 3rd place finish. 

Yes, quite right

Well played gentlemen!

And I've never understood why the 3rd place playoff is treated with such disdain

3rd place in the most popular sport in the world is a major achievement in my view

Mini rant over!

[layzie 33,862]

15 hours ago, Macca said:

 

Yes, quite right

Well played gentlemen!

And I've never understood why the 3rd place playoff is treated with such disdain

3rd place in the most popular sport in the world is a major achievement in my view

Mini rant over!

Well done @Dee Zephyr and @roy11 that's some good work there. Let's keep the trivia coming!

The third place playoff works perfectly for the World Cup. Should definitely be seen like winning a Bronze medal in the Olympics. We saw how happy our guys were in the Basketball last year after that!

[roy11 3,858]

Once @Macca gave the clue away the answer jumped out very quick. First WC I can remember was 1994 and I knew all the 3rd place winners for that were all on the list. I've also read a fair bit about the 1930 WC (which was the inaugural WC) so the USA part gave it away.

To summarize, have a wiki copy/paste

Third and fourth place
The now-traditional third place play-off was not established until 1934, so the format of the 1930 World Cup is unique in not distinguishing between the third and fourth placed teams. Occasional sources, notably a FIFA Bulletin from 1984, incorrectly imply that a third-place match occurred and was won 3–1 by Yugoslavia. Accounts differ as to whether a third-place match was originally scheduled. According to a 2009 book by Hyder Jawad, Yugoslavia refused to play a third-place match because they were upset with the refereeing in their semi-final against Uruguay.

At the end of the championship, the captains of the United States team (Tom Florie) and Yugoslavia (Milutin Ivković) both received bronze medals. Yet a FIFA technical committee report on the 1986 World Cup included full retrospective rankings of all teams at all previous World Cup finals; this report ranked the United States third and Yugoslavia fourth, due to a better goal difference on otherwise identical records, a practice since continued by FIFA. In 2010, the son of Kosta Hadži, the chief of Yugoslav delegation at the 1930 World Cup and the vice-president of the Football Association of Yugoslavia at the time, claimed that Yugoslavia, as a team, has been awarded one bronze medal, which has been kept by Hadži himself and his family for the following 80 years. According to this source, Yugoslavia was placed third because of the semi-finals loss to the eventual champions, Uruguay. The official recording however shows the United States team claiming third place.

[Macca 16,997]

Tonight

Brazil should win but Croatia are a decent team.  But holding out Brazil's strike power is easier said than done.  3-1 to Brazil

The other game can go either way and we may see more than a few goals.  This game promises a lot with Messi on show along with Holland's total football

Could be one for the ages

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

What a game this is between the Dutch and Argentina. Pity it’s going to penalties.