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58 minutes ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Newscorp sucks.

And yet you quote them in support of your (incorrect) assertion that arsonists are responsible for the current bushfires.

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    The amount of blatant misinformation that has been spread by certain sectors of the media (not to mention social media) truly is a disgrace, even by their usual standards. The fact that no-one gets held to account for publishing such demonstrably inaccurate information is a joke. Lots of these myths get rehashed after every major fire, but it seems to be out of control this year.

    The thing is, most of these myths, regardless of political leanings, can be dispelled using simple logic that doesn't exactly require a PhD. Yet somehow, these myths still gain widespread traction. A few of my favourites:

    It's arson: As others have said, even if a substantial number of fires were started by arsonists (which they demonstrably weren't), why did so many arsonists suddenly crop up in 2019? It's staggering that some people still trot this out.

    Banned cattle grazing in the high country: Ignoring the science that cattle do SFA to reduce fuel loads in NP's (it's not very often that you see a herd of cattle devouring a gum tree), there are more big herbivores grazing the bush now than ever. Populations of deer and, further north, feral horses (heritage listed no less - don't get me started on that wisdom) have exploded in recent times. They're currently in far greater numbers than cattle ever were. Why aren't they slowing the fires, and why would cattle do anything different?

    Banned firewood collection in NP's: Seriously? Millions of hectares have been burnt - exactly how much firewood were you expecting people to be collecting? 

    It's the Greens fault for stopping planned burns: Even if they did oppose planned burns (which they don't), how are such a minor party so influential in managing bushland? 

    Lack of backburning: Anyone who brings this up doesn't know what backburning actually is.

    End rant :) 

     

     

     

     

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    4 hours ago, Accepting Mediocrity said:

    The amount of blatant misinformation that has been spread by certain sectors of the media (not to mention social media) truly is a disgrace, even by their usual standards. The fact that no-one gets held to account for publishing such demonstrably inaccurate information is a joke. Lots of these myths get rehashed after every major fire, but it seems to be out of control this year.

    The thing is, most of these myths, regardless of political leanings, can be dispelled using simple logic that doesn't exactly require a PhD. Yet somehow, these myths still gain widespread traction. A few of my favourites:

    It's arson: As others have said, even if a substantial number of fires were started by arsonists (which they demonstrably weren't), why did so many arsonists suddenly crop up in 2019? It's staggering that some people still trot this out.

    Banned cattle grazing in the high country: Ignoring the science that cattle do SFA to reduce fuel loads in NP's (it's not very often that you see a herd of cattle devouring a gum tree), there are more big herbivores grazing the bush now than ever. Populations of deer and, further north, feral horses (heritage listed no less - don't get me started on that wisdom) have exploded in recent times. They're currently in far greater numbers than cattle ever were. Why aren't they slowing the fires, and why would cattle do anything different?

    Banned firewood collection in NP's: Seriously? Millions of hectares have been burnt - exactly how much firewood were you expecting people to be collecting? 

    It's the Greens fault for stopping planned burns: Even if they did oppose planned burns (which they don't), how are such a minor party so influential in managing bushland? 

    Lack of backburning: Anyone who brings this up doesn't know what backburning actually is.

    End rant :) 

     

     

     

     

    There is also great evidence that Hooved animals provide the very basis for soil degradation, which leads to erosion which leads to the drying out of whole landscapes. In next to no time, us White Fellas have done more to harm this land than the original inhabitants did in what some anthropologists now say is close to 50, 000 years.

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    14 hours ago, dieter said:

    There is also great evidence that Hooved animals provide the very basis for soil degradation, which leads to erosion which leads to the drying out of whole landscapes. In next to no time, us White Fellas have done more to harm this land than the original inhabitants did in what some anthropologists now say is close to 50, 000 years.

    That should be 'hoofed' animals...


    On 1/11/2020 at 3:43 PM, Accepting Mediocrity said:

    The amount of blatant misinformation that has been spread by certain sectors of the media (not to mention social media) truly is a disgrace, even by their usual standards. The fact that no-one gets held to account for publishing such demonstrably inaccurate information is a joke. Lots of these myths get rehashed after every major fire, but it seems to be out of control this year.

    The thing is, most of these myths, regardless of political leanings, can be dispelled using simple logic that doesn't exactly require a PhD. Yet somehow, these myths still gain widespread traction. A few of my favourites:

    It's arson: As others have said, even if a substantial number of fires were started by arsonists (which they demonstrably weren't), why did so many arsonists suddenly crop up in 2019? It's staggering that some people still trot this out.

    Banned cattle grazing in the high country: Ignoring the science that cattle do SFA to reduce fuel loads in NP's (it's not very often that you see a herd of cattle devouring a gum tree), there are more big herbivores grazing the bush now than ever. Populations of deer and, further north, feral horses (heritage listed no less - don't get me started on that wisdom) have exploded in recent times. They're currently in far greater numbers than cattle ever were. Why aren't they slowing the fires, and why would cattle do anything different?

    Banned firewood collection in NP's: Seriously? Millions of hectares have been burnt - exactly how much firewood were you expecting people to be collecting? 

    It's the Greens fault for stopping planned burns: Even if they did oppose planned burns (which they don't), how are such a minor party so influential in managing bushland? 

    Lack of backburning: Anyone who brings this up doesn't know what backburning actually is.

    End rant :) 

     

     

     

     

    The Greens hold responsibility for killing the Logging industry which is btw the ultimate sustainable industry.

    We no longer have the appropriate machinery or expertise for fire mitigation in areas that require high risk areas to be cleared.

    We also can’t clear paths like we used to do, to get emergency services into the zones where they can be most effective.

    On 1/6/2020 at 8:47 AM, dieter said:

    Wrecker, we're not in the middle of summer. We are in the 5th week of a 12 week season. All of the previous major fires started in late January through to early March. This round of fires started in September. That's why I use the term unprecedented 

     

    Dieter the peak fire season in NSW is Spring. It’s Winter in parts of the top end. 

    http://www.bom.gov.au/weather-services/fire-weather-centre/bushfire-weather/index.shtml

    The timing of fires is just another tool of the alarmists to blame climate change without fact.

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