On 11/21/2018 at 5:58 PM, Nasher said:

We might as well just delist him now based on Chazz’s appraisal. Obviously has no future.

I understand the position, by the way; the evidence supports his assertion that players who get spat out don’t usually make it. I reject it though. I don’t see how he’s any different to any other ‘mature’ player, such as Michael Barlow, Aaron Vandenberg, Tim Kelly and so forth, who mature later and continue to develop as players in to their 20s and have successful AFL careers. The fact that he’s been on an AFL list before is irrelevant - not ready then doesn’t equal not ready now. 

As a 21 year old recruit, he’s clearly been picked due to his potential for development to be more than just a depth player. I am far more open minded about his prospects.

Agree Nasher.

He is still a young man.

Sometimes players don't click early, or at their first club. It could be injuries, or similar players who take his position, or not understanding the fitness requirements, or the Coach not rating them or a host of other reasons.

He has his chance now and we will see if he is good enough. He certainly had a great year with Casey.

I will be interested to see if we look at his team mate JL, perhaps in the roookie draft.

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Agree Nasher.

He is still a young man.

Sometimes players don't click early, or at their first club. It could be injuries, or similar players who take his position, or not understanding the fitness requirements, or the Coach not rating them or a host of other reasons.

He has his chance now and we will see if he is good enough. He certainly had a great year with Casey.

I will be interested to see if we look at his team mate JL, perhaps in the roookie draft.

Exactly Red. I reckon it’s easy to justify all the reasons any player won’t make it. A player who has already been delisted once is particularly low hanging fruit in that regard. Visionaries will be able to see through that and project the possibilities for the player. I’m definitely not a visionary - I wouldn’t know a good player pre-AFL I fell on one, but I reckon Jason Taylor is, that’s why any player he takes earns automatic benefit of the doubt rights in my eyes.

Wagner may well prove to be “depth at best”, but being right on that doesn’t earn anyone any extra cred in my eyes. It would be like chucking $20 each way on Winx.

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Exactly Red. I reckon it’s easy to justify all the reasons any player won’t make it. A player who has already been delisted once is particularly low hanging fruit in that regard. Visionaries will be able to see through that and project the possibilities for the player. I’m definitely not a visionary - I wouldn’t know a good player pre-AFL I fell on one, but I reckon Jason Taylor is, that’s why any player he takes earns automatic benefit of the doubt rights in my eyes.

Do I have to agree with every decision that the Club/JT makes?  No.  The decision was made to pick up Wagner, and it's one that I don't think will work.  Get over it.

I wasn't critical of JTs drafting of Dion Johnston, Mitch King or Liam Hulett.  Guess what, he got those ones wrong too.

I really don't know why you have an issue with my opinion about this, Nasher.  I will either be right or wrong, just like JT will be with every decision he makes. 

On 11/23/2018 at 1:45 PM, The Chazz said:

Do I have to agree with every decision that the Club/JT makes?  No.  The decision was made to pick up Wagner, and it's one that I don't think will work.  Get over it.

I wasn't critical of JTs drafting of Dion Johnston, Mitch King or Liam Hulett.  Guess what, he got those ones wrong too.

I really don't know why you have an issue with my opinion about this, Nasher.  I will either be right or wrong, just like JT will be with every decision he makes. 

There is no "wrong" with this selection, only "right".

6 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

There is no "wrong" with this selection, only "right".

NFI what you are talking about. Aka - dafuq?

11 hours ago, The Chazz said:

NFI what you are talking about. Aka - dafuq?

Mate, your biggest issues appear to stem from your use of phrases without actually understanding their meaning...

”at best”

”Aka” (also known as)

 

16 hours ago, The Chazz said:

NFI what you are talking about. Aka - dafuq?

I noticed