15 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

Well that's not what independent experts are saying right now.

Take a look at these clowns. "The man who invented the internet in this country...". Are you serious?

http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-project/extra/season-7/who-to-blame-for-the-nbn

you are not very well read, adam. your so called expert is considered a clown by the industry as far as his financial projections are concerned

even labor whilst in office conceded to $70b and blind freddy could see it wasn't going to stop there

but continue dreaming.........$40b, yeah.....right

Edited June 10, 20169 yr by daisycutter

22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

you are not very well read, adam. your so called expert is considered a clown by the industry as far as his financial projections are concerned

even labor whilst in office upped their estimates to $70b and blind freddy could see it wasn't going to stop there

but continue dreaming.........$40b, yeah.....right

And who is the so called expert you're referring to? There are a couple mentioned in that video. Consumer Group Choice is one of them. They're considered clowns are they? And are you saying they're all wrong? There's no issue here? Righto. It's all Labor's fault and we shouldn't have to pay for it. We should privatise it, because that's worked so well for Telstra. I love receiving calls from India at 6pm at night.

Edited June 10, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

19 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

And who is the so called expert you're referring to? There are a couple mentioned in that video. Consumer Group Choice is one of them. They're considered clowns are they? And are you saying they're all wrong? There's no issue here? Righto. It's all Labor's fault and we shouldn't have to pay for it. We should privatise it, because that's worked so well for Telstra. I love receiving calls from India at 6pm at night.

i was referring to the guy you explicitly referenced viz " "The man who invented the internet in this country...".  and i was referring to his financial and schedule projections (and not to his technical internet knowledge)

where did i say we shouldn't have to pay for it? where did i say it should have been privatised? where did i endorse telstra?

you made the crazy statement that labor could have had it completed by now and for only $40b, and that's what i challenged. there is so much misinformation thrown around about the nbn by both sides and it has become some sort of religous, ideological battleground

Edited June 10, 20169 yr by daisycutter

11 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i was referring to the guy you explicitly referenced viz " "The man who invented the internet in this country...".  and i was referring to his financial and schedule projections (and not to his technical internet knowledge)

where did i say we shouldn't have to pay for it? where did i say it should have been privatised? where did i endorse telstra?

you made the crazy statement that labor could have had it completed by now and for only $40b, and that's what i challenged. there is so much misinformation thrown around about the nbn by both sides that it has become some sort of religous, ideological battleground

Let me retract my original comment and say that it wouldn't be done everywhere by now, but I'd have it in my area. And we can categorically say that it would be cheaper, because in the short to mid term this inferior system will have to be replaced and another costly exercise undertaken, instead of doing it properly the first time.

Also, I was referencing Tone Abbey with my quote "the man who invented the internet in this country". Still not sure who you're talking about.

Edited June 10, 20169 yr by AdamFarr

14 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

Let me retract my original comment and say that it wouldn't be done everywhere by now, but I'd have it in my area.

Also, I was referencing Tone Abbey with my quote "the man who invented the internet in this country". Still not sure who you're talking about.

certainly not abbott

the guy was one of the original technical architects of the internet in oz (90's) and he recently (in the last year) made claims of how nbn could have been done much cheaper and quicker than either labor or liberal but provided no detail specs and costings. he got largely ignored except by a few media outlets who beat it up for a little while. I can't remember his name and couldn't find it with a quich search.  "The man who invented the internet in this country..." was how i remember he was described (or words to that effect)

anyway, i'm not really taking nbn sides, but the original estimates were always dodgy because the whole process was almost an overnight decision with everything rushed for political expediency. there were many other reasons why we were all conned on what it would cost but i can't be bothered going into it, suffice to say the original estimates were mostly pure guesstimates and we know that pollies never guess on the high side

9 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

certainly not abbott

the guy was one of the original technical architects of the internet in oz (90's) and he recently (in the last year) made claims of how nbn could have been done much cheaper and quicker than either labor or liberal but provided no detail specs and costings. he got largely ignored except by a few media outlets who beat it up for a little while. I can't remember his name and couldn't find it with a quich search.  "The man who invented the internet in this country..." was how i remember he was described (or words to that effect)

anyway, i'm not really taking nbn sides, but the original estimates were always dodgy because the whole process was almost an overnight decision with everything rushed for political expediency. there were many other reasons why we were all conned on what it would cost but i can't be bothered going into it, suffice to say the original estimates were mostly pure guesstimates and we know that pollies never guess on the high side

We're talking cross purpose again. I took umbrage with Abbey's comments that the current Prime Minister practically invented the internet. I was scoffing at those comments.

The reality is the only games none Supporters watch are Firday and Saturday night games which we get none of anyways so I can't see this hurting us anymore then it already is.

It's pretty simple, Wins = more TV coverage. 

11 minutes ago, ILLDieADemon said:

The reality is the only games none Supporters watch are Firday and Saturday night games which we get none of anyways so I can't see this hurting us anymore then it already is.

It's pretty simple, Wins = more TV coverage. 

It's pretty obvious that that simplification is complete rubbish. You'd expect winning help a bit (though not much evidence for that actually)  but dollars wins hands down.

Everyone except "Mums and Dad shareholders" wants the "arcs" kicked out of Telstra. Even their employees when one is able to talk to them know the "value of a monopoly".

Another Royal Commission for Bill to get his teeth into and about time. Signed ex shareholder

On one hand i dislike the free to air broadcast/ commentry etc in camparison to fox - I would be happy to see all games on a football station with quality broadcasts like fox although it sux for the poor kid who was is missing there footy altogether .