Oh and here's the professor's email:

 

M.Englandunsw.edu.au

 

I challenge you to send him your refutation of his article. Very easy to confuse me. Possibly not so easy to confuse him.

 

If you can't do it - well, I'll put you in the same category as my uncle - (better not give his name - he's a Dees supporter - may wander by, though I doubt it - he's a bit past it these days) - was a handy feller, some sort of boilermaker by trade. Tried to tell us he'd figured out where Einstein got it wrong. He knew enough to confuse me, but (not having maths) probably not enough to confuse Einstein.

49 minutes ago, Jara said:

Oh and here's the professor's email:

 

M.Englandunsw.edu.au

 

I challenge you to send him your refutation of his article. Very easy to confuse me. Possibly not so easy to confuse him.

 

If you can't do it - well, I'll put you in the same category as my uncle - (better not give his name - he's a Dees supporter - may wander by, though I doubt it - he's a bit past it these days) - was a handy feller, some sort of boilermaker by trade. Tried to tell us he'd figured out where Einstein got it wrong. He knew enough to confuse me, but (not having maths) probably not enough to confuse Einstein.

Somehow or other, my dear friend Jara, Wrecker will lampoon yours truly and he'll ask you to sink to the bottom of a bath tub. That's science in these climes, my boy, that's science. Copernicus is still waiting for Nero to stop fiddling. That's also science in these climes. 

5 hours ago, Jara said:

You confuse me (not hard to do when it comes to science, I must admit) - but let me get this experiment straight. (Let's just talk about the bath for now, not the ocean) You said to basically get a heat source and transmit it into the bath - you're saying it isn't detectable at the bottom of the bath, right? I'm asking - why not? Maybe hydroponic lights aren't strong enough, as you suggest, but surely a stronger light would be (say the lights of the MCG)?  

 

 

That is my poor explanation not your misunderstanding, In the heat at the bottom of the deap ocean theory, the heat somehow dodges the measurable upper layer of the ocean. So in my example the bottom of the bath is warmer than the top of the bath, that the heat is shining on. It is not physically possible. It passes for climate science and that is one of the many reasons I call it a pseudo science.

4 hours ago, dieter said:

Somehow or other, my dear friend Jara, Wrecker will lampoon yours truly and he'll ask you to sink to the bottom of a bath tub. That's science in these climes, my boy, that's science. Copernicus is still waiting for Nero to stop fiddling. That's also science in these climes. 

For someone who can actually write pretty well it amazes me how you can almost never contribute to the topic.

in your opinion can heat hide in the deap ocean and defy every law of physics?

Would you be able to reply to this without mentioning Andrew Bolt, Margaret Thatcher or Uncle Sam?

5 hours ago, Jara said:

Oh and here's the professor's email:

 

M.Englandunsw.edu.au

 

I challenge you to send him your refutation of his article. Very easy to confuse me. Possibly not so easy to confuse him.

 

If you can't do it - well, I'll put you in the same category as my uncle - (better not give his name - he's a Dees supporter - may wander by, though I doubt it - he's a bit past it these days) - was a handy feller, some sort of boilermaker by trade. Tried to tell us he'd figured out where Einstein got it wrong. He knew enough to confuse me, but (not having maths) probably not enough to confuse Einstein.

More than happy to. I admitted earlier I only spent about 2 minutes reading the article.

To be clear I'll question why he chose 14 years as his critearion for a hiatus and how is it physically possible for heat to hide in the deap ocean while bypassing the measurable upper layer.

Happy to cc you if you send me your email address. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Jara said:

Oh and here's the professor's email:

 

M.Englandunsw.edu.au

 

I challenge you to send him your refutation of his article. Very easy to confuse me. Possibly not so easy to confuse him.

 

If you can't do it - well, I'll put you in the same category as my uncle - (better not give his name - he's a Dees supporter - may wander by, though I doubt it - he's a bit past it these days) - was a handy feller, some sort of boilermaker by trade. Tried to tell us he'd figured out where Einstein got it wrong. He knew enough to confuse me, but (not having maths) probably not enough to confuse Einstein.

BTW - I like your uncle who thinks he had Eisenstein covered. Some of Eistein's unproven theories are still being tested and likely correct with modern science today. If your uncle can even understand and argue the point I pay him credit.

6 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

For someone who can actually write pretty well it amazes me how you can almost never contribute to the topic.

in your opinion can heat hide in the deap ocean and defy every law of physics?

Would you be able to reply to this without mentioning Andrew Bolt, Margaret Thatcher or Uncle Sam?

There, I just did.

6 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

BTW - I like your uncle who thinks he had Eisenstein covered. Some of Eistein's unproven theories are still being tested and likely correct with modern science today. If your uncle can even understand and argue the point I pay him credit.

So Einstein becomes Eisenstein. You bin watching Battle of Potemkin way too often, or, maybe Alexander Nevsky...

Haha yes, I noticed that, too. Einsein, Eisenstein, what's the diff? They're all in on the conspiracy. Haven't seen it for thirty years, but Alexander Nevsky is one of my favourite films. Do you remember that opening scene, when he's fishing and he tells all the Huns or whatever they were to shut up?

9 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

More than happy to. I admitted earlier I only spent about 2 minutes reading the article.

To be clear I'll question why he chose 14 years as his critearion for a hiatus and how is it physically possible for heat to hide in the deap ocean while bypassing the measurable upper layer.

Happy to cc you if you send me your email address. 

 

 

God, you're game. Are you going to share with him your complaint about the low quality of prize winners these days?

2 hours ago, Jara said:

Haha yes, I noticed that, too. Einsein, Eisenstein, what's the diff? They're all in on the conspiracy. Haven't seen it for thirty years, but Alexander Nevsky is one of my favourite films. Do you remember that opening scene, when he's fishing and he tells all the Huns or whatever they were to shut up?

Vaguely - it's been that long since I've seen it too.

I do, however recall the Palace scene from Ivan the Terrible. Vhat a composer of film, we might say.

I've always loved the music Prokofiev wrote for these films, Alexander Nevsky in particular.

 

Eisenstein was born to a middle-class family in Riga, Latvia (then part of the Russian Empire in the Governorate of Livonia), but his family moved frequently in his early years, as Eisenstein continued to do throughout his life. His father, Mikhail Osipovich Eisenstein was born to a German Jewish father who had converted to Christianity, Osip Eisenstein, and a mother of Swedish descent.^[1][2] His mother, Julia Ivanovna Konetskaya, was from a Russian Orthodox family.^[3]According to other sources, both of his paternal grandparents were of Baltic German descent.

I'll take him as a German then. Also Sviatoslav Richter.....

Edited July 19, 20178 yr by dieter

On 19/07/2017 at 11:35 AM, Jara said:

Haha yes, I noticed that, too. Einsein, Eisenstein, what's the diff? They're all in on the conspiracy. Haven't seen it for thirty years, but Alexander Nevsky is one of my favourite films. Do you remember that opening scene, when he's fishing and he tells all the Huns or whatever they were to shut up?

Jara - you dissapoint me. I take your articles seriously, reply to them regarding content and you try and ping me for spelling Ironstein incorrectly. Clearly it was a typo and now a joke.

On 18/07/2017 at 9:21 PM, Jara said:

Oh and here's the professor's email:

 

M.Englandunsw.edu.au

 

I challenge you to send him your refutation of his article. Very easy to confuse me. Possibly not so easy to confuse him.

 

If you can't do it - well, I'll put you in the same category as my uncle - (better not give his name - he's a Dees supporter - may wander by, though I doubt it - he's a bit past it these days) - was a handy feller, some sort of boilermaker by trade. Tried to tell us he'd figured out where Einstein got it wrong. He knew enough to confuse me, but (not having maths) probably not enough to confuse Einstein.

Ok I have sent my email. How confident are you that he will respond?

i doubt it. Scrutiny on something so farcical is something to avoid. I said it previously in this thread and have asked the professor why he seleclected a time frame for his defition of a hiatus. there is no scientific justification for choosing a time frame. A hiatus is a hiatus. If the 14 years turns out to have no scientific justification and just, as I suspect cherry picked. Where do you stand?

On 19/07/2017 at 9:47 AM, dieter said:

There, I just did.

1/2 pass.

No mention of Uncle Sam, Andrew bolt etc.. congrats

No ability to discuss the heat in the bottom of the deap ocean.

50% is pretty good for you.

 

18 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

No ability to discuss the heat in the bottom of the deap ocean.

 

now i'm not saying it's relevant, wrecker, but there is such a thing as thermal layers in the ocean. didn't you watch red october? and i'm pretty sure thermal layers wouldn't be found in a dinky bathtub

of course the mere existence of oceanic thermal layers doesn't give any proof to "missing heat" playing hide-and-seek in the ocean.

10 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

now i'm not saying it's relevant, wrecker, but there is such a thing as thermal layers in the ocean. didn't you watch red october? and i'm pretty sure thermal layers wouldn't be found in a dinky bathtub

of course the mere existence of oceanic thermal layers doesn't give any proof to "missing heat" playing hide-and-seek in the ocean.

Completely agree. 

On 21 July 2017 at 7:29 PM, Wrecker45 said:

Jara - you dissapoint me. I take your articles seriously, reply to them regarding content and you try and ping me for spelling Ironstein incorrectly. Clearly it was a typo and now a joke.

Sorry - you're right - very rude of me - you are very straightforward in your posts - my apologies (god knows, I should be the last to criticise anybody - I send my silly little missives off without even checking them half the time - probably riddled with typos ((if that's how you spell typos  )) 

40 minutes ago, Jara said:

Sorry - you're right - very rude of me - you are very straightforward in your posts - my apologies (god knows, I should be the last to criticise anybody - I send my silly little missives off without even checking them half the time - probably riddled with typos ((if that's how you spell typos  )) 

Rather a typo than a trypo....

On 19 July 2017 at 11:35 AM, Jara said:

Haha yes, I noticed that, too. Einsein, Eisenstein, what's the diff? They're all in on the conspiracy. Haven't seen it for thirty years, but Alexander Nevsky is one of my favourite films. Do you remember that opening scene, when he's fishing and he tells all the Huns or whatever they were to shut up?

His battle against the Teutonic Knights I think. A very gothic group with some great armour as I remember. A great film where an army of barbarians perished on a melting ice flow on the Volga? 

7 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

His battle against the Teutonic Knights I think. A very gothic group with some great armour as I remember. A great film where an army of barbarians perished on a melting ice flow on the Volga? 

Don't like the sound of my brethren, the Teutonic Knights, being typecast as barbarians, Earl. I'm still recovering from the Russian Front....

Edited July 24, 20178 yr by dieter

 

The observed data keeps pointing in one very worrying direction, drier and warmer as the climate models predict!

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/australia-blows-away-its-july-daytime-temperature-record-as-rain-stayed-away-20170801-gxmx3h.html

My fellow CFA vols are worried this year's going to be a bad one. At least we haven't had a long-term drought, so hopefully not too bad.

On 8/1/2017 at 5:05 PM, Earl Hood said:

 

The observed data keeps pointing in one very worrying direction, drier and warmer as the climate models predict!

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/australia-blows-away-its-july-daytime-temperature-record-as-rain-stayed-away-20170801-gxmx3h.html

How many factual articles do we need to post about the data being fiddled to come up with these records? I haven't had to poor cold buckets on my car to melt the ice off the windscreen for decaseds and I've been doing it all July. Must just be the area I'm in that is colder than average.

As for the rain. I thought excessive rain was a sign of global warming? You can't have it both ways. What pattern of rain fall would make you see the that climate change is a hoax? Heavy rain, drought, normal (you would have have to define the decade because it changes every decade).

And thanks for posting a nice fluff piece from The Age who wont disclose their interest in Earth Hour and have an agenda on the topic.

 

23 hours ago, Jara said:

My fellow CFA vols are worried this year's going to be a bad one. At least we haven't had a long-term drought, so hopefully not too bad.

Wish the firey's all the best. Hope it is a good season for them. The lack of rain this winter can't have helped, unless the underscrub agrows less I guess.

On 02/08/2017 at 5:44 PM, Jara said:

My fellow CFA vols are worried this year's going to be a bad one. At least we haven't had a long-term drought, so hopefully not too bad.

well we got dog whistled the last two summers so i expect the same this year