Will be remembered as the guy that got us Tmac, thanks Fet

Actually, remembered by me as the sole contested mark stat for Melbourne in Bailey's first game as coach.

Rather hoping he'd stay a Hawk. Then next year against Geelong maybe see backlines with Frawley, Cheney, Rivers.

Reckon in a moment of crisis Frawley will manage a turn over chip to Buddy or Tomahawk.

I think what it shows is different people see things differently; different coaches see different value in players (think Lyon's love for Zac Dawson - doubt he would be on any other club's list).

So it is with Phil Walsh - he must see something in Cheney that others don't.

If we had Zac Dawson we wouldn't need McDonald or Frost. He's unco as hell and looks like a clown but he rarely has goals kicked on him. I can't see how anyone who's played footy at any level doesn't appreciate how Zac Dawson is the annoying red head step child tall defender that exists in every second team at local footy, he's just the AFL version.

It doesn't take a great coach to look at Adelaide's list and see they have one good shut down medium/tall defender which is Talia. They have no locked in 2nd or 3rd tall defender. Hence Watts and Dawes playing very well against Adelaide this year as Talia went to Frawley.

You also note a lack of hard at it, physical players in Adelaide's backline (and several other spots in the team). Poor Sloane, Dangerfield, Walker, Thompson and a few others take some heavy hits for a lot of the team. So Cheney fits that aspect as well.

Adelaide rate Cheney because he fills a need. It's the same reason we rate Lumumba

If we had Zac Dawson we wouldn't need McDonald or Frost. He's unco as hell and looks like a clown but he rarely has goals kicked on him. I can't see how anyone who's played footy at any level doesn't appreciate how Zac Dawson is the annoying red head step child tall defender that exists in every second team at local footy, he's just the AFL version.

It doesn't take a great coach to look at Adelaide's list and see they have one good shut down medium/tall defender which is Talia. They have no locked in 2nd or 3rd tall defender. Hence Watts and Dawes playing very well against Adelaide this year as Talia went to Frawley.

You also note a lack of hard at it, physical players in Adelaide's backline (and several other spots in the team). Poor Sloane, Dangerfield, Walker, Thompson and a few others take some heavy hits for a lot of the team. So Cheney fits that aspect as well.

Adelaide rate Cheney because he fills a need. It's the same reason we rate Lumumba

i understand what you are saying. however at hawthorn cheney was the last picked defender with minimal pressure on him and attracting the oppositions worst forward. at adelaide (in your scenario) he will be expected to play a more pivotal and critical role and i doubt he has the ability to step up his game. he will be much more exposed