If we don't win then so be it. And I'm a natural pessimist who also thinks we still have a lot of work to do with the actual talent level we put out there most weeks regardless of game plan, coaching etc.

But the players better be going out there with the desire and belief they can win. Every Melbourne player should look at their saint opponent come first bounce and have confidence they can beat their man. Obviously if it's Tommy Mc on Riewoldt he has to give him respect but he's all but beaten him before he should feel he can do it. And same for whoever is on Lenny Hayes and even Armitage they both deserve respect as opponents but no one should feel out of their depth.

I'm tipping by 10pm tonight this thread will swing one way or another.

I feel as though we should go in favourites in any case.

I feel as though we should go in favourites in any case.

We must be. Denham all but picked us this morning.

Who gives a rat's bumcrack whether we beat their magoos? If that's who runs out for them, and we get 4 points, I don't give a stuff if my grandma got a game for them.