POLL: Who Needs To Go? ... The Fans Decide

[Range Rover 1,935]

All indications are we are headed for a significant list cull at the end of the season. There seems little doubt about this.

So, it's over to you. You get the chance to be Mark Neeld for a day. Who would you call into your office for a "quick chat" after round 22?

You are allowed multiple selections.

Edited September 7, 2012 by Range Rover

[Old Man Rivers 326]

Bate

Bennell

Dunne

Fitzpatrick

Jetta

Petterd

Morton

This exercise is too depressing to continue.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Old Man Rivers

[Roger Mellie 3,898]

All indications are we are headed for a significant list cull at the end of the season. There seems little doubt about this.

So, it's over to you. You get the chance to be Mark Neeld for a day. Who would you call into your office for a "quick chat" after round 22?

You are allowed multiple selections.

You forgot Spencil

[thaipantsman 180]

RR

I'm very much a players advocate. Things have been tough for the Guys this year. Coming off DB handball or kick backwards game style to Neeld's Collingwood design IMO it's not right or fair to MASS KILL after one year.

From what I've seen this year Aaron Davey should consider retirement. He seems slow and given his pace was always his strength then he will struggle next year. A little like a bee without a stinger.

Sellar while serviceable can't kick, mark or handball and "going forward" will not make it. Neeld wants him to be an Ingerson, Icke or Spalding type but it's not going to happen.

Joel Mac while certainly not the worst player in the list right now doesn't quite do it for me. Tends to lose the contested possessions seems slow and doesn't seem big enough. Good honest footballer and a hard call to see him go.

The rest would be a mistake to clear given they have had an entire year to adopt the Neeld game style and will be far better next year. A new crop of players will be back to square one again and another year of pain guaranteed.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Bail has to go he is a butcher at his best

[Bonkers 990]

RR

I'm very much a players advocate. Things have been tough for the Guys this year. Coming off DB handball or kick backwards game style to Neeld's Collingwood design IMO it's not right or fair to MASS KILL after one year.

Tough life being an a AFL footballer! Staggering really.

[Range Rover 1,935]

You forgot Spencil

Thanks Rog. Duly edited!

You're only allowed 20 options max. so I took out Blease to fit Spencer in there.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,552]

I got a laugh by this post. No mucking around here. But rumours from the club are circulating that its a 10-12 player cull and here's my take on who and why:

Gawn:

1. Cale Morton - love him or not, Neeld gave him a chance this season and he's back at Casey. Enough said... has to be traded as signed to end of 2013.

2. Bail - sure he tries but he is a butcher as another said above. I dread every kick.

3. Bartram - a real trier, and seems like a great bloke as a person, but again poor disposal and we have too much of that.

4. Davey - the foot is mangled, he has a permanent limp and has lost the passion. Great player but time to move on

5. Fitzpatrick - I feel for this bloke with his health problem. Probably needs more time but i cringe.

6. Liam Jurrah - its pretty clear that he may be in jail in 2013, but if not I get strong feelings and indications that few under Neeld are happy with his work ethic.

7. Brent Moloney - I used to love this bloke. Heart and soul and all that, but he's just too slow now days and seems to spend more time barking orders than leading by example

8. Matty Bate - an old friend of his is my third-hand club source so I will lose that, but the Bate as a midfielder experiement has failed.

9. Cook - hasnt had a chance but doesnt look likely to break into the side any time soon - a real point given a hack could

10. Joel MacDonald - he's been ok of late, but you can never relax whent he ball is in his hands. Tries, but sometimes that might not be enough.

11. Bennell - too many chances

Rumours:

11. Jordan Gysberts - I keep hearing he is on the outta for poor work rate, but i think he has a lot of natural talent so would be a shame.

trades:

12. Colin Sylvia - Sydney would love him and at his best he is inspiring, but he's best is just too fickle and perhaps its time to change

13. Rivers - might get cained for this but we have enough defenders now and we need to get one with a bit of run and carry. A ward style runner out of the back half.

Keepers:

14. Dunn - some might totally disagree but he is given a role and more often than not he plays it - Neeld likes players that do that.

15. Petterd - has been very poor this year but should get another year given previous years

16. Luke Tappscott - I like this bloke and despite having a small impact on some games, he gets himself in the right places at times. So Im glad no one has voted for him.

??

17. Stef Martin - all over the shop

18. Couch and Magner - good VFL solid players but are they part of our AFL future?

19. Sellar - a few games he has looked alright, others he has looked below VFL standard.

[NorwoodDemon 20]

can we get these types of threads banned? im getting sick of the constant THIS GUY SHOULD GO! really annoying and seriously makes me hate being a Dee's supporter with so many people wanting to drop half the club.

[Range Rover 1,935]

* Second edit

Because no votes had been cast for Tapscott or Gysberts, I have replaced them with Magner and Couch despite them not formally being senior listed players. The question of the poll is who do you not want to see appear on the senior list in 2013, so I think those two are likely to get more votes than Gys or Tappy.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

I got a laugh by this post. No mucking around here. But rumours from the club are circulating that its a 10-12 player cull and here's my take on who and why:

Gawn:

1. Cale Morton - love him or not, Neeld gave him a chance this season and he's back at Casey. Enough said... has to be traded as signed to end of 2013.

2. Bail - sure he tries but he is a butcher as another said above. I dread every kick.

3. Bartram - a real trier, and seems like a great bloke as a person, but again poor disposal and we have too much of that.

4. Davey - the foot is mangled, he has a permanent limp and has lost the passion. Great player but time to move on

5. Fitzpatrick - I feel for this bloke with his health problem. Probably needs more time but i cringe.

6. Liam Jurrah - its pretty clear that he may be in jail in 2013, but if not I get strong feelings and indications that few under Neeld are happy with his work ethic.

7. Brent Moloney - I used to love this bloke. Heart and soul and all that, but he's just too slow now days and seems to spend more time barking orders than leading by example

8. Matty Bate - an old friend of his is my third-hand club source so I will lose that, but the Bate as a midfielder experiement has failed.

9. Cook - hasnt had a chance but doesnt look likely to break into the side any time soon - a real point given a hack could

10. Joel MacDonald - he's been ok of late, but you can never relax whent he ball is in his hands. Tries, but sometimes that might not be enough.

11. Bennell - too many chances

Rumours:

11. Jordan Gysberts - I keep hearing he is on the outta for poor work rate, but i think he has a lot of natural talent so would be a shame.

trades:

12. Colin Sylvia - Sydney would love him and at his best he is inspiring, but he's best is just too fickle and perhaps its time to change

13. Rivers - might get cained for this but we have enough defenders now and we need to get one with a bit of run and carry. A ward style runner out of the back half.

Keepers:

14. Dunn - some might totally disagree but he is given a role and more often than not he plays it - Neeld likes players that do that.

15. Petterd - has been very poor this year but should get another year given previous years

16. Luke Tappscott - I like this bloke and despite having a small impact on some games, he gets himself in the right places at times. So Im glad no one has voted for him.

??

17. Stef Martin - all over the shop

18. Couch and Magner - good VFL solid players but are they part of our AFL future?

19. Sellar - a few games he has looked alright, others he has looked below VFL standard.

I just can't agree on Dunn he is gone. Would have a better chance of showing his stuff down forward and If neeld keeps him he can't be a backmen and I don't understand why he is down back at the moment. His long kicking is the only thing he has going for him.

[thaipantsman 180]

I got a laugh by this post. No mucking around here. But rumours from the club are circulating that its a 10-12 player cull and here's my take on who and why:

Gawn:

1. Cale Morton - love him or not, Neeld gave him a chance this season and he's back at Casey. Enough said... has to be traded as signed to end of 2013.

2. Bail - sure he tries but he is a butcher as another said above. I dread every kick.

3. Bartram - a real trier, and seems like a great bloke as a person, but again poor disposal and we have too much of that.

4. Davey - the foot is mangled, he has a permanent limp and has lost the passion. Great player but time to move on

5. Fitzpatrick - I feel for this bloke with his health problem. Probably needs more time but i cringe.

6. Liam Jurrah - its pretty clear that he may be in jail in 2013, but if not I get strong feelings and indications that few under Neeld are happy with his work ethic.

7. Brent Moloney - I used to love this bloke. Heart and soul and all that, but he's just too slow now days and seems to spend more time barking orders than leading by example

8. Matty Bate - an old friend of his is my third-hand club source so I will lose that, but the Bate as a midfielder experiement has failed.

9. Cook - hasnt had a chance but doesnt look likely to break into the side any time soon - a real point given a hack could

10. Joel MacDonald - he's been ok of late, but you can never relax whent he ball is in his hands. Tries, but sometimes that might not be enough.

11. Bennell - too many chances

Rumours:

11. Jordan Gysberts - I keep hearing he is on the outta for poor work rate, but i think he has a lot of natural talent so would be a shame.

trades:

12. Colin Sylvia - Sydney would love him and at his best he is inspiring, but he's best is just too fickle and perhaps its time to change

13. Rivers - might get cained for this but we have enough defenders now and we need to get one with a bit of run and carry. A ward style runner out of the back half.

Keepers:

14. Dunn - some might totally disagree but he is given a role and more often than not he plays it - Neeld likes players that do that.

15. Petterd - has been very poor this year but should get another year given previous years

16. Luke Tappscott - I like this bloke and despite having a small impact on some games, he gets himself in the right places at times. So Im glad no one has voted for him.

??

17. Stef Martin - all over the shop

18. Couch and Magner - good VFL solid players but are they part of our AFL future?

19. Sellar - a few games he has looked alright, others he has looked below VFL standard.

This is the poorest thread I've ever read both in player analysis and the call on Liam Jurrah. Poor!!

[Range Rover 1,935]

* Second edit

Because no votes had been cast for Tapscott or Gysberts, I have replaced them with Magner and Couch despite them not formally being senior listed players. The question of the poll is who do you not want to see appear on the senior list in 2013, so I think those two are likely to get more votes than Gys or Tappy.

Feel free to re-cast your vote to allow for the changes.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,552]

can we get these types of threads banned? im getting sick of the constant THIS GUY SHOULD GO! really annoying and seriously makes me hate being a Dee's supporter with so many people wanting to drop half the club.

Its pretty harsh but what is the alternative? Pretend the list is fantastic? Give support to players that haev yet to return years of faith? Sugar coat it? What is the point of a forum where longtime supporters cant vent after another terrible season?

Perhaps the list is ok and has just not responded to the Misson exercise regime. I dont claim to have all the answers, but I do know that Ive heard from several sources that 10-12 are going. Im just giving my own assessment which I think was fair. I was not scathing. But I doubt anyone on the coaching panel spends much time giving thoughts to my suggestions so why do you care so much?

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,552]

This is the poorest thread I've ever read both in player analysis and the call on Liam Jurrah. Poor!!

From the bloke that firstly posts continually from round 7 that we should sack Neeld, that he is the entire problem with the club and then tries to say today that he has been 'neutral on Neeld'.

Mate if you think that the whole Jurrah thing hasnt at least effected his form now and potentially in the future your kidding yourself. if you think there isnt a strong case against him that certainly opens him to the possibility of jail time then your also kidding yourself. You can read between the lines about Jurrah - the fact he asked not to play earlier in the season - the assault allegations are weighing him down bigtime and it could drag out for years.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Norm Smith's Curse

[thaipantsman 180]

This is the poorest thread I've ever read both in player analysis and the call on Liam Jurrah. Poor!!

Norm Smith, on 29 July 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:='thaipantsman' timestamp='1343533660' post='601991']6. Liam Jurrah - its pretty clear that he may be in jail in 2013, but if not I get strong feelings and indications that few under Neeld are happy with his work ethic.

This is the poorest thread I've ever read both in player analysis and the call on Liam Jurrah. Poor!!

Shame on Norm Smith...

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,552]

yeah mate thanks for reminding me what I posted.

SInce the assault allegations he has had some injuries but at the end of the day he has lost his drive. His form hasnt been great and he still doesnt play defensively. Proof is in the pudding.

Maybe we should just sack the coach eh thai? That will fix everything. It was him the coached the side to an 186 point loss...

[thaipantsman 180]

* Second edit

Because no votes had been cast for Tapscott or Gysberts, I have replaced them with Magner and Couch despite them not formally being senior listed players. The question of the poll is who do you not want to see appear on the senior list in 2013, so I think those two are likely to get more votes than Gys or Tappy.

RR =give the thread a chance. some haven't even got out of bed yet?? save the edits for at least a few days

[thaipantsman 180]

How bout we make a pact to hold off on LJ/Jail type comments. All alleged at this stage. Let this run it's course and hold the uninformed comment.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,552]

Norm Smith, on 29 July 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:='thaipantsman' timestamp='1343533660' post='601991']6. Liam Jurrah - its pretty clear that he may be in jail in 2013, but if not I get strong feelings and indications that few under Neeld are happy with his work ethic.

Shame on Norm Smith...

Oh I get it, your trying to paint me as a racist? Questioning the work ethic of an indigenous player? Neeld said earlier in the week that he wanted to see Jurrah get back to the club and buckle down. What I meant was is that his mind isnt with playing footy, its distracted with the court case and you can tell he has lost is mojo.

But people seem to quite often skirt around the point thathe is facing pretty serious charges and with a number of witness statements against him,

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,552]

How bout we make a pact to hold off on LJ/Jail type comments. All alleged at this stage. Let this run it's course and hold the uninformed comment.

Ill consider it (although I dont agree) if you stop asking for Neeld to be sacked every five minutes.

[thaipantsman 180]

yeah mate thanks for reminding me what I posted.

SInce the assault allegations he has had some injuries but at the end of the day he has lost his drive. His form hasnt been great and he still doesnt play defensively. Proof is in the pudding.

Maybe we should just sack the coach eh thai? That will fix everything. It was him the coached the side to an 186 point loss...

LJ isn't going anywhere NS. He's integral. Staying put. He also needs our support at this time not this type of comment. Sure I don't think MN is NBT. Separate issue and can debate that one as a separate issue.

What's your point here re the 186 point loss. It was Jurrah's fault? Bailey's? My fault??

Words are important.

Ironically I can be lambasted for not approving of Mark Neeld yet all is cool to proceed with this mass cull exercise.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Ironically I can be lambasted for not approving of Mark Neeld yet all is cool to proceed with this mass cull exercise.

The key difference? Most of the guys on this list have been around for three or more years.

Neeld's been around for 17 games.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Range Rover

[thaipantsman 180]

Oh I get it, your trying to paint me as a racist? Questioning the work ethic of an indigenous player? Neeld said earlier in the week that he wanted to see Jurrah get back to the club and buckle down. What I meant was is that his mind isnt with playing footy, its distracted with the court case and you can tell he has lost is mojo.

But people seem to quite often skirt around the point thathe is facing pretty serious charges and with a number of witness statements against him,

Sure no one is saying it's not serious. This is why he needs us? To say he'll probably be in Jail is not fair to him or to Demonlanders. Alleged at this stage. As for the racist tag. Who suggested such a thing? Where did that come from?

I love LJ and if he comes through all this which I think he will Melbourne and the football world will be better off.

[Akum 2,660]

* Second edit

... The question of the poll is who do you not want to see appear on the senior list in 2013, so I think those two are likely to get more votes than Gys or Tappy.

The question is a bit ambiguous. It could also mean "who do you think Neeld will cull?" which is quite a different question. And perhaps a much more relevant question.

Neeld would be evaluating each player not in terms of "how good they are", but "can they play the way I want them to?"

An example in one direction is Jetta. Some may consider him "not good enough", but he's certainly very likely to be able to play how Neeld wants.

An example the other way is Martin against Spencer. No doubt at all that Martin is "better" than Spencer, but Spencer is probably more likely to be able to play to Neeld's instructions.

IMHO Norm Smith has nailed it in his post, though I disagree with some of his choices.