Rrrright ...okayyy. Stay away from the yaba pills TPM.

First answer the question RR+

Range Rover, on 30 July 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

You'd have a haunted look on your face too if you were coaching a side that had only one legitimate quality midfielder (Jones).

RR=

1. What is the difference between a legitimate quality midfielder and a quality midfielder?

2. Given Trengove is a midfielder surely Neeld would not have picked him as Captain if he was not "legitimate quality?"

Surely he was not selected on the basis of his youthful appearance alone.

Do you still believe in Neeld given such a calamities decision?

Do you concede that Neeld is simply not much of a motivator and Trengove along with many others have not progressed let alone thrived under him??

Want to see you twist your way out of this one....then we can talk Yaa baa...I can even post you a song about it

Trengove is an interesting one. He is struggling no doubt but to mind it has nothing to do with his role as captain. Hopefully we can put his 2012 form down as an aberration.

One thing that needs to be corrected is this idea Neeld is somehow infallible. He is human and will make mistakes along the way, as do all coaches.

Yes a confession at last! A mistake.

Not along the way though ....This was the first one and from the very start. It was a statement from Neeld. Has gradually gone downhill from there. His media skills are an embarrassment .

Yes a confession at last! A mistake.

Not along the way though ....This was the first one and from the very start. It was a statement from Neeld. Has gradually gone downhill from there. His media skills are an embarrassment .

Confession of what?

You postings are becoming very tedious TPM. You've become the new Dr `Who. Carpet bombing every thread in sight.

That's a ridiculous assertion.

I am sure you will see things differently once the fog clears.

I am sure you will see things differently once the fog clears.

I understand why you could draw that bow. There could well be some animosity there.

I just don't see Neeld as the type to give a [censored].

As opposed to selecting key defenders with good foot skills and they are????

IMO we would be better off with a smaller defense (i.e. three of Frawley, Rivers, Garland, MacDonald, Sellar, McDonald and three of Grimes, Bartram, Blease, Tapscott, Nicholson, Strauss). It gives us more run and skill but comes at the trade off of being caught short in the air. At times this year we have had a five and one mix (with Macdonald and Garland as small defenders), which is unbalanced. IMO Garland should be played on the third tall and either Tapscott or Grimes on the slowest small.

Just for shits and gigs I will contribute......

I guess the problem with philosophy is that it never holds up in practice. To explain my statements - it's fine to have an idea or a way you want your team to play it's getting the team to execute it is the real challenge.

No shite we've had a bad year - there are a number of reasons you can list why. (injuries, form, poor leadership, poor preparation, players simply not good enough to compete at AFL standard) Whatever reason you can think of has happened to this club this year.

Back to your point - Neeld hasn't chosen his crop of players to implement his philosophy of football on. The few players he has brought in (Mitch Clark, and the draftees look promising) they've shown a little.

This club needs to harden the f*@k up and stick together - give Neeld a chance to implement his style and philosophy otherwise we will continue down the same path going nowhere.

Excellent contribution and yes when it comes down to it we all do it for "shits and gigs"

We certainly are going somewhere. A Coles Advert is the stark reminder. Whether your "nowhere" is the same place only you know this. Just what is his philosophy apart from Hot Air Statements.

His Draftees?? Not sure if you mean Magner and Couch. Both serviceable but promising. Cook? Leigh Williams maybe. Who else are his promising draftees apart from Clark?

Edited July 30, 201212 yr by thaipantsman

I understand why you could draw that bow. There could well be some animosity there.

I just don't see Neeld as the type to give a [censored].

Unless he was duped. After all he is a novice coach in an unfamiliar organization. I don't think he was fully aware of the depth of the problems at the club.

Edited July 30, 201212 yr by america de cali

Just for shits and gigs I will contribute......

I guess the problem with philosophy is that it never holds up in practice. To explain my statements - it's fine to have an idea or a way you want your team to play it's getting the team to execute it is the real challenge.

No shite we've had a bad year - there are a number of reasons you can list why. (injuries, form, poor leadership, poor preparation, players simply not good enough to compete at AFL standard) Whatever reason you can think of has happened to this club this year.

Back to your point - Neeld hasn't chosen his crop of players to implement his philosophy of football on. The few players he has brought in (Mitch Clark, and the draftees look promising) they've shown a little.

This club needs to harden the f*@k up and stick together - give Neeld a chance to implement his style and philosophy otherwise we will continue down the same path going nowhere.

Excellent contribution and yes when it comes down to it we all do it for "shits and gigs"

We certainly are going somewhere. A Coles Advert is the stark reminder. Whether your "nowhere" is the same place only you know this. Just what is his philosophy apart from Hot Air Statements.

His Draftees?? Not sure if you mean Magner and Couch. Both serviceable but promising. Cook? Leigh Williams maybe. Who else are his promising draftees apart from Clark?

Confession of what?

You postings are becoming very tedious TPM. You've become the new Dr `Who. Carpet bombing every thread in sight.

Your Neeld banner is also tedious, repetitive and boring. This is your opinion and that of your cronies. Bored at your blind faith in an unproven coach who seemingly couldn't lead an ant to a honey pot.

You have no rhyme or reason for any of it.

You openly advocate mass culls and blame all the current crop of players. You don't even entertain the idea of the actual problem being the Guy who's calling the shots, game plan and current culture.

Tedious indeed!

carpet bombing?

kallangurdemon, on 30 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Without wishing to sound too biblical with Mark it is a case of "blessed are those that have not seen but yet believed ".I may be ( to carry on the theme ) a doubting Thomas but I have seen nothing to suggest that we are on the right track with him .What concerns me is that haunted look on his face every time there is a camera close up .It is hardly reassuring .I doubt that the players are committed to him or even on his wave length .From the time the leadership was turned upside down until now the season has been a complete disaster .How anyone would have the unmitigated temerity to suggest that it will turn around is beyomd me .Can anyone point to one measurable ,quantifible area where we have improved ?

This was not my thread yet you responded with some reference to Yaa baa and a comment directed at Thaipantsman..

An apology on that score would be nice.

RR=I'm not the only person to doubt Neeld. Your stance is that he is untouchable.

I was not a Bailey advocate either but Neeld is not in his league. An offshoot here=Rodney Eade would have been much better.

Can't take the credit for this but is certainly true in Neeld's case.

"blessed are those that have not seen but yet believed "

classic quote from Kalangurdemon.

Come into the real world now RR...stop throwing stones

Let’s consider Mark Neeld’s position in a different light.

Most good assistant coaches aspire to be senior coaches, which is an ambitious and admirable quality.

Unfortunately for them, it is normal for many to fail in their aspiration.

The reasons are varied - maybe the opportunities are limited, maybe an assistant gets a chance and is simply not able to make the step up, maybe circumstances conspire against them, or maybe the people who selected them were not good enough at their job, etc. etc. (I have deliberately omitted the playing list, as it should be a known factor to all interested parties. Apart from that, one would have to ask why an aspiring coach would take on a playing list if it was known to be no good.)

Being a senior coach requires an enormous range of abilities – maybe Neeld simply hasn’t got it. There’s no shame in that – he tried. Those who appointed him deserve more attention.

IMO the one certainty is that MFC needs a new coach rapidly – the time for a blame game is long past!

Your Neeld banner is also tedious, repetitive and boring. This is your opinion and that of your cronies. Bored at your blind faith in an unproven coach who seemingly couldn't lead an ant to a honey pot.

You have no rhyme or reason for any of it.

You openly advocate mass culls and blame all the current crop of players. You don't even entertain the idea of the actual problem being the Guy who's calling the shots, game plan and current culture.

Tedious indeed!

No, tedious is your total and complete non-understanding of football. Your posts are embarrassing.

I stand by the yaba comment which was indeed intended for you (apologies to kallangurdemon).

troll alert

Being a senior coach requires an enormous range of abilities – maybe Neeld simply hasn’t got it. There’s no shame in that – he tried. Those who appointed him deserve more attention.

'Maybe' is the key word here in your post. And the only relevant one.

Finally you've acknowledged that he needs time.

No, tedious is your total and complete non-understanding of football. Your posts are embarrassing.

I stand by the yaba comment which was indeed intended for you (apologies to kallangurdemon).

Now now RR,

You are at home in this forum because you have the support of your forelock tugging mates that also happen to be pro Neeld. Doesn't make me afraid to challenge the tripe you write. Mass Culls etc... One decent midfielder.....Give us a break...

Will give you another chance just to check whether there might be some savvy behind the words..

Range Rover, on 30 July 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Rrrright ...okayyy. Stay away from the yaba pills TPM.

First answer the question RR+

Range Rover, on 30 July 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

You'd have a haunted look on your face too if you were coaching a side that had only one legitimate quality midfielder (Jones).

RR=

1. What is the difference between a legitimate quality midfielder and a quality midfielder?

2. Given Trengove is a midfielder surely Neeld would not have picked him as Captain if he was not "legitimate quality?"

Surely he was not selected on the basis of his youthful appearance alone.

Do you still believe in Neeld given such a calamities decision?

Do you concede that Neeld is simply not much of a motivator and Trengove along with many others have not progressed let alone thrived under him??

Want to see you twist your way out of this one....then we can talk Yaa baa...I can even post you a song about it non understanding?

yaa baa is no problem?

Not sure you clearly understand what yea baa is either? You understand Football? You advocate the mass Cull of a Football Club. Players that have been selected by some of the best judges going around to be capable of playing great football. Cull them all. It's the fault of these kids and in no way the fault of an untried, dull and boring coach.

Have I missed something? Do I drink that much beer at the G? I'm concerned about my mental health. Am I so delusional that every time I have left the G in the last 4 years I have been wondering when or if our the players are going to get good when I should have been thinking it's all Bailey's fault and now it's Neeld's fault?

'Maybe' is the key word here in your post. And the only relevant one.

Finally you've acknowledged that he needs time.

Quoting out of context only brings your case down RR. Out of respect for you, I'm sure you read the whole post and hence know full well the meaning of what was said - a poor response. PS - 'he tried' is past tense.

Edited July 30, 201212 yr by Hardnut

No, tedious is your total and complete non-understanding of football. Your posts are embarrassing.

I stand by the yaba comment which was indeed intended for you (apologies to kallangurdemon).

enlighten us RR=do you know what Yaa baa is? Perhaps the one and only Thai word in your Vocab?

I'll tell you if you don't ...

I just think its incredibly funny that anyone can draw the categorical concluson that Neeld is a dead duck coach after one year in charge of a list comprising maybe a dozen fair dinkum .players, half a dozen wannabes and the rest either too wet behind the ears or too wet between them.

If he had a reasonable list , that had a decent spread of talent and Ok fitness as a commonality and we were getting done week in week out then I too would be concerned.

Lets make this simple for some to understand, this is the first year of a three year process. The FIRST yeqr. Its clearout year.

troll alert

Are you at point BB!

TPM you are a goose. And a troll.

First poster in two years I've had to use the ignore function on.

Quoting out of context only brings your case down RR. Out of respect for you, I'm sure you read the whole post and hence know full well the meaning of what was said - a poor response. PS - 'he tried' is past tense.

RR reads little bits of various quotes without fully grasping or understanding any.

Being a senior coach requires an enormous range of abilities – maybe Neeld simply hasn’t got it. There’s no shame in that – he tried. Those who appointed him deserve more attention.

IMO this quote is the most accurate one and consistent to my position in the Neeld discussion.

RR's still looking up Yaa baa in the Thai Dictionary:)

Edited July 30, 201212 yr by thaipantsman