Robinson and Armfield need to be sorted out. Some may view it as childish, but I don't think it's acceptable for them the slag off the nature of the club. Send them a message, especially that squib Armfield, he doesn't have the right to comment on the toughness of any club.

Who gives a rats if we get one-week suspensions this week? We're going to lose next week anyway.

I want Mitch Robinson knocked out.

I want blood.

I want Lynden Dunn to snipe for the fun of it.

I want Bull to run over a few Carlton players a la Savage, Shaw.

I want Carlton's sub activated by the end of the first quarter.

Bang!! Line in the sand . Lets see who actually posseses a set of swingers in our team...

Who gives a rats if we get one-week suspensions this week? We're going to lose next week anyway.

I want Mitch Robinson knocked out.

I want blood.

I want Lynden Dunn to snipe for the fun of it.

I want Bull to run over a few Carlton players a la Savage, Shaw.

I want Carlton's sub activated by the end of the first quarter.

I'm with you Striker

Everyone says we don't stand for anything. That's cause we never stand up against anyone that bullies us. Talent. experience, skills aside, this is also a major reason why the top teams smash us week after week. It's called arrogance and belief. They have it, and we don't.

And not just on the scoreboard. They man handle us and throw us around like dolls as they believe we're weak. That's what they've been told from their leaders and coach. Passed down to them from generation to generation.

"Just crack in for 4 quarters, knock the crap outta them and knock em around and the Demons will fold".

Well apart from the Northey years and a few shortly after under Balme, that's been pretty much true of this club since i've been following them.

Only have to look at what Chappy did to Dunny and the lack of flag flying. This hurt more for me than anything else on black Saturday. Even though the whole freakin day hurts! I heard Dermie say exactly this the other eve on SEN. He couldn't believe no one went in to remonstrate.

It's time to draw the line here. It has to be Carlton who ran with this crap earlier this year...publicly in total arrogance and disrespect...AFTER the match (hec it wasn't even their idea, they pinched it from Dermie).

If this means a toe to toe punch on before the siren and there's an all in with major damage in order to prove a point...including suspensions.....then so be it.

As long as there's no 'behind the play' cowardly stuff like a Mathews king hit or Dipper/Buddy elbows, and we put in 4 quarters of maximum effort and crack in footy afterwards as well....i'll be more than pleased to see this every week from here against any opposition.

We are Demons after all....aren't we???

This type of approach will also sort the men out from the boys, and turn some of the boys into men.

In addition, many players from other clubs, especially those already sure of a finals appearance, wont be able to match us in the stoush stakes from here, as they'll be too worried to lose their place in the coming finals series (as will their Coaches).

It's an advantage as we have absolutely nothing to lose. Lets face it, we aren't going to have an impact, if we do make the finals. So we can afford to lose a few soldiers.

We can play without fear!

Now come on boys.....

GO OUT THERE AND PLAY LIKE FREAKIN DEMONS!!

While I agree with Rhino's point that this is a pretty dumb thread and that mindless violence is not the answer, secretly I hope points 1, 2 and 3 all come together in the one act. Losing Lynden Dunn for the rest of the season through suspension for knocking out Mitch Robinson would put me in a happy place.

Well its not a dumb thread then is it... Dont be a hypocrit !!

Exactly Rusty, the fact that Nicholson, A FIRST YEAR PLAYER, was the only one to help Dunn in anyway is just disgusting, and just reflects poorly on the club. I don't understand why you wouldn't run in to protect a teammate getting beaten.

Exactly Rusty, the fact that Nicholson, A FIRST YEAR PLAYER, was the only one to help Dunn in anyway is just disgusting, and just reflects poorly on the club. I don't understand why you wouldn't run in to protect a teammate getting beaten.

Exactly. Why was Nicholson the only player to help Dunn?

Well because we're a soft team made up of individuals who just arent physical enough in their approach.

I say bring down Rodney Grinter to the club and teach them a thing or two about getting in the face of your opponent and giving them a good bump.

Dunn and Tappy are pretty much the only players with any grunt in our side.

We've got to turn around this perception that we're a soft team! NOW!

Exactly. Why was Nicholson the only player to help Dunn?

Well because we're a soft team made up of individuals who just arent physical enough in their approach.

I say bring down Rodney Grinter to the club and teach them a thing or two about getting in the face of your opponent and giving them a good bump.

Dunn and Tappy are pretty much the only players with any grunt in our side.

We've got to turn around this perception that we're a soft team! NOW!

If we call a timid closet jumper puncher like Dunn having "grunt" then we are stuffed. Any chance he win the hard contested position or contest a mark at the front of the pack without dropping his head?

Well its not a dumb thread then is it... Dont be a hypocrit !!

LOL. You might have undermined your first statement with your second one.

You worried about spelling Rhino ? Im not that concened about it at the moment .

He has done nothing of the sort. He doesn't want to coach full time. He's helping out.

You are wrong.

Have you any idea how much pressure Todd Viney has just agreed to?

If we call a timid closet jumper puncher like Dunn having "grunt" then we are stuffed. Any chance he win the hard contested position or contest a mark at the front of the pack without dropping his head?

LOL. You might have undermined your first statement with your second one.

Rhino

To be fair whilst you have a point. Dunn still took out Courtenay Dempsey in the NAB Cup with a nice bump.

But we never see this enough.

If we call a timid closet jumper puncher like Dunn having "grunt" then we are stuffed.

I agree Rhino that he's not exactly our toughest player in terms of winning the ball. But i wouldn't call punching Chappy in the guts while standing right beside him timid....would you try it lol? Pretty game stuff i reckon. Ok, a little stupid maybe, especially given that he's playing with such an insipid bunch of team mates (i use the term team mates loosely here). About all we've got in the hardness stakes atm is Moloney (albeit a bit of a flat track bully it seems), McKenzie and Tappy. And i'll give a mention to Nicholson (again) who at least remonstrated a little against Chappy.

At least Dunny Brush did 'something' as the great John Kennedy was heard to ask at one point. I admit it mightn't have been the greatest contribution of all time, but he 'did' something at least. The same could not be said of many of his so called mates on this dark day.

Any chance he win the hard contested position or contest a mark at the front of the pack without dropping his head?

Agree. Something we are missing big time in this group. Call it what you will, courage/confidence/toughness/hardness. We seem to have recruited too many nice skinny boys. Sure, many recruits start off a little on the skinny side as they're just boys and need to fill out over many seasons obviously, but it's this 'nice' feel that many of our players have about them, with a few exceptions.

I saw Watts as one of these up until this year where i feel he's come on real sweet so far. He was also lacking in the courage dept a little in front of packs, but with another pre season under his belt at the end of last year, he seems to be committing himself to the contest and willing to back into packs a little more now. I'm sure another 1 or 2 pre-seasons will see him grow even further in the contested area.

A shame the club has appeared to implode just when we 'seemed' to be getting things on track and setting ourselves for a serious shot at finals next year.

I'm not sure where you see things from here, but it's almost Mick, Roos (maybe Eade as a 3rd best option) or bust in the short term from my point of view. Is this club up to bringing in another untried younger coach? I have my doubts given the off field shinanigans that have now surfaced.

Hopefully Garry can crack some heads and bring the factions (assuming we can believe the rumours) into line, clear out the cob webs and hangers on and we start afresh next year. Feels like we're putting a huge bet down on Garry and him producing some sort of result/outcome though don't you think?