The stats were shown comparing our 1st qtr against the Eagles and the Suns against the Bombers which were:

Score

MFC 0.2 (Down 31 points) Suns 0.1 (Down by 93 points)

Clangers

MFC 10 Suns 8

Tackles

MFC 13 Suns 20

Inside 50's

MFC 3 Suns 9

Contested marks

MFC 3 Suns 1

Contested possessions

MFC 30 Suns 29

Garry says 16 rounds to go - that'll tell the story

But .... Very Big Game this weekend

( and - if I might add - it's at home )

Thanks guys!

Do you think he was telling them to tackle last season but told them to stop doing it this season?

I honestly think he has lost the respect of the group. That's it. For whatever reason many of the players are just not listening to him. Tough cookies for him even if it isn't his fault because the buck stops with him. Either he gets them to listen fast or he makes way for someone who can.

Losing I can cope with but not that gutlessness. If a coach can't get the players to want to die for the jumper then he is not a coaches [censored] no matter how good he is at theory and powerpoints.

The problem with Lyon on that show is he often shoots down any worthwhile conversation they might have on us .

Couple of weeks ago Carro bought up the possibility of Malthouse coming to Melbourne .

"I wouldn't think theyed be looking at changing the coach just now." dismissed Lyon , and quickly onto the next subject .

Tho' he might deny it , he's up to his neck in this club .

Half his best mates are running the joint , asif he doesn't have an imput .

I honestly think he has lost the respect of the group. That's it. For whatever reason many of the players are just not listening to him. Tough cookies for him even if it isn't his fault because the buck stops with him. Either he gets them to listen fast or he makes way for someone who can.

Losing I can cope with but not that gutlessness. If a coach can't get the players to want to die for the jumper then he is not a coaches [censored] no matter how good he is at theory and powerpoints.

Green qoted today: http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/112832/default.aspx

CAPTAIN Brad Green says criticism of coach Dean Bailey since last round’s loss to West Coast Eagles is “totally unfair”.

Speaking at AAMI Park on Monday, Green said Bailey has the full support of the players, and they want him at the helm.

“We love Dean and we love Dean being our coach and we’ve got no doubt that Dean will be here in the future,” he said.

“It’s all got to come down to the players.

“We’re out there playing the game. He’s implementing a style that we want to play and we’re just not playing to that at the moment.”

I don't understand how you could possibly come to this conclusion.

Respect has nothing to do with the performance we put out there on Thursday.

If anything, it just makes you sound like you are at a loss to explain why it happened, so you are doing the easy thing - blaming the coach.

Losing I can cope with but not that gutlessness. If a coach can't get the players to want to die for the jumper then he is not a coaches [censored] no matter how good he is at theory and powerpoints.

Here , here .

Did ya see the Richmond players , pounding their chests and ripping at their jumpers signifying heart when kicking goals over the weekend . I wanna see some of that coming from our club .

The problem with Lyon on that show is he often shoots down any worthwhile conversation they might have on us .

Couple of weeks ago Carro bought up the possibility of Malthouse coming to Melbourne .

"I wouldn't think theyed be looking at changing the coach just now." dismissed Lyon , and quickly onto the next subject .

Tho' he might deny it , he's up to his neck in this club .

Half his best mates are running the joint , asif he doesn't have an imput .

He has, but somethings not right though.

There's something thats not adding up, and I get the feeling there's 2 schools of thought going on. A mini division, I feel.

I don't understand how you could possibly come to this conclusion.

Respect has nothing to do with the performance we put out there on Thursday.

If anything, it just makes you sound like you are at a loss to explain why it happened, so you are doing the easy thing - blaming the coach.

It's obvious why it happened to me.. we sent out a very small side to play a very big side who are a year and a half furhter advanced than us and huge. Our kids were intimidated from the first bounce. A selection delemma...

He has, but somethings not right though.

There's something thats not adding up, and I get the feeling there's 2 schools of thought going on. A mini division, I feel.

There's word of this that keeps cropping up on the videos from the Hun journos...waiting to see where it goes though

I don't understand how you could possibly come to this conclusion.

Respect has nothing to do with the performance we put out there on Thursday.

Agreed. I'm sure if you were silly enough to watch the replay you would find that the one thing that that was most definitely not on the ground that night was respect.

He has, but somethings not right though.

There's something thats not adding up, and I get the feeling there's 2 schools of thought going on. A mini division, I feel.

i did notice the comment where it was said Malthouse and Eddie are not all Beer & Chocolates since MM's Anzac Day comments.

He won't sit at the Filth in the Granny Flat, No way.

Thanks for your contributions Artie - makes a lot of sense to me

Agreed. I'm sure if you were silly enough to watch the replay you would find that the one thing that that was most definitely not on the ground that night was respect.

That right rojic, but that state of confusion that can creep into the players collective focus,can be caused by any number of differences from within the footy dept'.

This is what undermined Matthew Knights, who got the side into the finals the year before. The young board wanted Hird, and the old board wanted to honour the existing arrangements and the good work by Knights. He got them into Finals.

Then comes the derision after he makes the tough calls to finish Lloyd and Lucas. Didn't go down well with some, including the departed players. Sacked by an outsider.

They had to make Knights look like an ameteur, so the players became angry and unfocused. This is so easy to manufacture by influential people badmouthing the ex richmond boy. The team floundered and then 2/3rds through they sacked his supportive assistants effective immediately, to undermine him further?, and to slide to a very good pick. It worked to perfection, but they sold they're soul.. they damaged a coach, another club, and its supporters, 3 times over, and they tread on the former Board members.

As soon as the old guard was disolved from management, the plans hatched and set, to place the Broker and the Bomb'r, became reality. I don't think they needed to be so dishonest and scheming, hast may be needed, but dishonesty not. Play your cards close, but don't damage people as you make your future plans. Treat them with the dignity, they and all of us deserve.

If we must make change thats fine, but do it with integrity!

That right rojic, but that state of confusion that can creep into the players collective focus,can be caused by any number of differences from within the footy dept'.

This is what undermined Matthew Knights, who got the side into the finals the year before. The young board wanted Hird, and the old board wanted to honour the existing arrangements and the good work by Knights. He got them into Finals.

Then comes the derision after he makes the tough calls to finish Lloyd and Lucas. Didn't go down well with some, including the departed players. Sacked by an outsider.

They had to make Knights look like an ameteur, so the players became angry and unfocused. This is so easy to manufacture by influential people badmouthing the ex richmond boy. The team floundered and then 2/3rds through they sacked his supportive assistants effective immediately, to undermine him further?, and to slide to a very good pick. It worked to perfection, but they sold they're soul.. they damaged a coach, another club, and its supporters, 3 times over, and they tread on the former Board members.

As soon as the old guard was disolved from management, the plans hatched and set, to place the Broker and the Bomb'r, became reality. I don't think they needed to be so dishonest and scheming, hast may be needed, but dishonesty not. Play your cards close, but don't damage people as you make your future plans. Treat them with the dignity, they and all of us deserve.

If we must make change thats fine, but do it with integrity!

Absolutely...integrity is so important. But at the same time we must make the next phase of this club stick....

Nicely written by the way DL.

i did notice the comment where it was said Malthouse and Eddie are not all Beer & Chocolates since MM's Anzac Day comments.

He won't sit at the Filth in the Granny Flat, No way.

I was amazed when I heard Malthouse say that. I thought he's tyrying to drive a wedge from his contract.

But to where, the Blues or who? The tigers fighting fund? Here? The Saints may want change in 6 weeks! There's possibly 3 mentors going..., In my order, 1/ Roos, 2/ Malthouse, 3/ Laidley... *** and poss' Matthews if he wanted. Name your price.

The other club is the Hawks. A change of the guard maybe there.

As far as we're concerned, Most of these guys probably wouldn't want to do it all themselves. IMO Matthews, if avail, certainly Malthouse, and IMO Roos, would all want a 'Bomba type' mentoring role. Laidley isn't reguarded as a ,front man', Coach for the TV.

IMO Malthouse has 3 Yrs as a head coach, or longer as a mentor. Roos, I feel likes to teach the teacher. Matthews, IMO is a hands on control freak. Laidley would be good in the coaches box upstairs.

Other points which I thought were ineresting were

Gary Lyon putting the heat on Morton, Jones, Sylvia (and one other, can't remember) for tweeting about the game. That now that they had put it out there that they need to back up the talk.

GL doesnt believe that Bailey is under pressure because it is too early.That he has a little bit of time to get the job done.

He felt that the 1st quarter last week was the worst he has seen for the year. (Not sure whether he meant for us or all games)

Caro believes that Bailey has handled himself well in the media over the last three and a bit years. She was complimentary about what the Club has achieved off the field but team performance letting everyone down (She didn't mention the draft once - for a change)

Caro doesnt believe that the Facebook group who are calling for Bailings sacking should be given any exposure. She called them idiots. (It was bought up by Hutchinson)

Thomas felt that the team would have criteria to meet and that Bailey would be measured against how well those criteria were met. For Bailey to be reappointed th Club needs 8-10 wins. That we are a young side that will continue to develop. Bailey is a good developmental coach but he is not sure that he is the right leader for the football club.

I liked GL getting stuck into Hutchy and called him a muckraker and it looked like it was getting ugly until Caroline stepped in.

Gary didnt seem to like Hutchy's inference that Jim wasn't well enough for the interview. That he didnt sound well eonough but was unsure if he was just low after the teams performance.

There is obviously still support for Bailey from the inner sanctum at Melbourne going by Gary's comments. Not sure about a supposed split but who would know unless you were from within that group. If the team played again like last week I am not sure if Gary's support for Bailey would be so forthcoming.

Caro doesnt believe that the Facebook group who are calling for Bailings sacking should be given any exposure. She called them idiots.

Good stuff.

I was amazed when I heard Malthouse say that. I thought he's tyrying to drive a wedge from his contract.

But to where, the Blues or who? The tigers fighting fund? Here? The Saints may want change in 6 weeks! There's possibly 3 mentors going..., In my order, 1/ Roos, 2/ Malthouse, 3/ Laidley... *** and poss' Matthews if he wanted. Name your price.

The other club is the Hawks. A change of the guard maybe there.

As far as we're concerned, Most of these guys probably wouldn't want to do it all themselves. IMO Matthews, if avail, certainly Malthouse, and IMO Roos, would all want a 'Bomba type' mentoring role. Laidley isn't reguarded as a ,front man', Coach for the TV.

IMO Malthouse has 3 Yrs as a head coach, or longer as a mentor. Roos, I feel likes to teach the teacher. Matthews, IMO is a hands on control freak. Laidley would be good in the coaches box upstairs.

Yes i am sure Malthouse wants out, after he wins Back to Back. That is the plan, whether it happens????

It's too early to work out just yet. A mate tells me Malthouse is a shoe in at Carlscum next year regardless, but i don't quite believe him yet.

Other points which I thought were ineresting were

Gary Lyon putting the heat on Morton, Jones, Sylvia (and one other, can't remember) for tweeting about the game. That now that they had put it out there that they need to back up the talk.

GL doesnt believe that Bailey is under pressure because it is too early.That he has a little bit of time to get the job done.

He felt that the 1st quarter last week was the worst he has seen for the year. (Not sure whether he meant for us or all games)

Caro believes that Bailey has handled himself well in the media over the last three and a bit years. She was complimentary about what the Club has achieved off the field but team performance letting everyone down (She didn't mention the draft once - for a change)

Caro doesnt believe that the Facebook group who are calling for Bailings sacking should be given any exposure. She called them idiots. (It was bought up by Hutchinson)

Thomas felt that the team would have criteria to meet and that Bailey would be measured against how well those criteria were met. For Bailey to be reappointed th Club needs 8-10 wins. That we are a young side that will continue to develop. Bailey is a good developmental coach but he is not sure that he is the right leader for the football club.

I liked GL getting stuck into Hutchy and called him a muckraker and it looked like it was getting ugly until Caroline stepped in.

Gary didnt seem to like Hutchy's inference that Jim wasn't well enough for the interview. That he didnt sound well eonough but was unsure if he was just low after the teams performance.

There is obviously still support for Bailey from the inner sanctum at Melbourne going by Gary's comments. Not sure about a supposed split but who would know unless you were from within that group. If the team played again like last week I am not sure if Gary's support for Bailey would be so forthcoming.

I wonder if there was a change of attitude at board level from last week, to todays Board meeting. I wonder if there was a Big name out there last week, who isn't out there this week? Somethings changed from the stony faced silence last week or 2, to now being supportive?

Has some other club managed a coup? Roos was in town this previous weekend gone.

Caro doesnt believe that the Facebook group who are calling for Bailings sacking should be given any exposure. She called them idiots.

Heh! I'm still ahead of her because I have called her much, much worse. I don't even think I've ever been so kind as to call that ugly hag something as mild as an idiot.

It's also nice to see that she believes that only the media have the right to propose and dispose. Us poor peons should wait to be told by her what we think, shouldn't we?

Captain??

Alone????

Alone????

not sure what you mean....

A mate tells me Malthouse is a shoe in at Carlscum next year regardless, but i don't quite believe him yet.

If Malthouse was to coach another club , Carlton too would be my bet .

Another nail up Eddies nose .