If Newton made the same degree of improvement in performance that Sylvia has then Newton would be a good player.

If I improved as much as Sylvia I would be a good player, but I'm no good and have shown nothing to suggest that I can.

Newton has not done anything on the field to suggest that he can, unlike Sylvia that showed plenty early.

Edited February 2, 201114 yr by Thomo

FCS the guys starting his 7th season with the club

If thats not a list clogger I don't know what one is

You are right about one thing, he always looks lost (Actually you are right about everything except your opening sentence).

He's probably a really nice guy, but how long is long enough?

Could the above more or less describe Jamar 18 months ago?

7 years is enough to show something, and he has shown nothing.

My opinion is Newton is a waste of MCC money. We do not have to fill all rookie spots. Including travel, gear, super, workcover etc, a rookie on $50k might cost the clubabout $100k, (about 750 members), I would much rather my membership dollars go into equipment and facilities than Newton. If he was the best option for a rookie spot, we should have not filled the spot.

This is where we need to stop the thread. The guy has one last chance to try to resurrect his AFL career on the back of good form last year.

He deserves this last chance.

He doesn't deserve to have his innocent name bounced around like a ping pong ball, before his last supper. he needs some support, if he's gunna make it.

If we wanna give it to a player,,, then pick one who's a higher pick & hasn't given anything.

This is where we need to stop the thread. The guy has one last chance to try to resurrect his AFL career on the back of good form last year.

He deserves this last chance.

He doesn't deserve to have his innocent name bounced around like a ping pong ball, before his last supper. he needs some support, if he's gunna make it.

If we wanna give it to a player,,, then pick one who's a higher pick & hasn't given anything.

I thought he had one last chance when he was delisted and drafted on the rookie list. More lives than a cat.

What good form are you talking about?

Why does he deserve one last chance? Seven years as a professional athlete with no results. He was hired to do a job, he hasn't preformed. No one deserves anything except the contract that they have signed.

I don’t “wanna give it to a player”. I am stating my opinion on this player. I don’t think he should have been re contracted. I also don’t think that because they play for the MFC, or make decisions on behalf of the MFC that they cannot be questioned. If that was the case we would still have Gardner running the place with McNamee and Robbo sitting at full forward.

Waste of my membership money in my opinion.

I thought he had one last chance when he was delisted and drafted on the rookie list. More lives than a cat.

What good form are you talking about?

Why does he deserve one last chance? Seven years as a professional athlete with no results. He was hired to do a job, he hasn't preformed. No one deserves anything except the contract that they have signed.

I don't "wanna give it to a player". I am stating my opinion on this player. I don't think he should have been re contracted. I also don't think that because they play for the MFC, or make decisions on behalf of the MFC that they cannot be questioned. If that was the case we would still have Gardner running the place with McNamee and Robbo sitting at full forward.

Waste of my membership money in my opinion.

Well, well done. Congratulations. You've now said catorgorically how you think.

You've been heard.

Well, there it is ! The bookies have stopped betting and are paying out ALREADY on WHIPPING BOY OF 2011 !

I think Sylvia had shown plenty in his early years at Melbourne, he received a rising star nomination in his second year. He has not been consistent due to injury/attitude, but I believe he had shown enough in his early years to persevere with.

Sylvia was crippled with OP, had a crappy attitude and didn't deliver. We were talking about minor degrees of performance. We invested pick 3 on him and he was more value to us persevering with him that trying to trade him with his medical history.

7 years is enough to show something, and he has shown nothing.

My opinion is Newton is a waste of MCC money. We do not have to fill all rookie spots. Including travel, gear, super, workcover etc, a rookie on $50k might cost the clubabout $100k, (about 750 members), I would much rather my membership dollars go into equipment and facilities than Newton. If he was the best option for a rookie spot, we should have not filled the spot.

Firstly,Newton was taken as a bottom age recruit in 2004 and was never expected to have a made an impact within his first couple of years. Indeed his development was stymied somewhat by the presence of Sauntner and others at Sandy. After 5 years on the main list, he was relegated to the rookie list. He is a fringe player who if we get something out of then great then if we dont then we lose as much as we have lost on countless other rookies who have not cut it. While your argument on cost is persuasive then we should not take any rookies at all unless we know that they will definitely made the grade. Its unrealistic I know but Nerwton is not the worst rookie we have had on the list over the years. The rookie list has strong element of punting for the future. And in my opinion, those who gripe 7 year line are sweating the small stuff.

Could the above more or less describe Jamar 18 months ago?

Indeed. In the minds of some posters Jamar was washed up and ordinary.

Could the above more or less describe Jamar 18 months ago?

Avery good point.I think he was only offered a 1 year contract at the time and Port wanted him.

Sylvia was crippled with OP, had a crappy attitude and didn't deliver. We were talking about minor degrees of performance. We invested pick 3 on him and he was more value to us persevering with him that trying to trade him with his medical history.

Firstly,Newton was taken as a bottom age recruit in 2004 and was never expected to have a made an impact within his first couple of years. Indeed his development was stymied somewhat by the presence of Sauntner and others at Sandy. After 5 years on the main list, he was relegated to the rookie list. He is a fringe player who if we get something out of then great then if we dont then we lose as much as we have lost on countless other rookies who have not cut it. While your argument on cost is persuasive then we should not take any rookies at all unless we know that they will definitely made the grade. Its unrealistic I know but Nerwton is not the worst rookie we have had on the list over the years. The rookie list has strong element of punting for the future. And in my opinion, those who gripe 7 year line are sweating the small stuff.

Indeed. In the minds of some posters Jamar was washed up and ordinary.

I think the rookie list is a good chance to see if players can step up or develop in an AFL environment, it's a good option for players that teams are not sure about, but would like to see how they go. Newton has show that he cannot step up to the required level after 7 years on the main list, so why rookie him again?

I think over the years Ruckman can take longer to develop, and I think that Jamar showed the ability to win the taps and mark the ball at an AFL level early in his career, just didn't have the fitness and didn't get enough of the ball, but showed something, is 200cm and was a regular in the best 22. Back in 2006 Jamar played 22 games in the season. Newton is a 193 forward that can't get a game and has not once in 7 years shown anything that indicates that he will make it. I don't see the similarities.

For every Jamar that comes good, there are a heap of Paul Johnsons that don't. I don't want the MFC to hang onto every player who is clearly not up to it just because Jamar is.

Not much point in me going on about it, the club has made the decision. I just think it is a waste of my money.

Not much point in me going on about it, the club has made the decision. I just think it is a waste of my money.

Don't worry they used Rhino's and my money on Newton - your's went on Tom McNamara.

I think the rookie list is a good chance to see if players can step up or develop in an AFL environment, it's a good option for players that teams are not sure about, but would like to see how they go. Newton has show that he cannot step up to the required level after 7 years on the main list, so why rookie him again?

I think this been adequately explained ad nauseam

I think over the years Ruckman can take longer to develop, and I think that Jamar showed the ability to win the taps and mark the ball at an AFL level early in his career, just didn't have the fitness and didn't get enough of the ball, but showed something, is 200cm and was a regular in the best 22. Back in 2006 Jamar played 22 games in the season. Newton is a 193 forward that can't get a game and has not once in 7 years shown anything that indicates that he will make it. I don't see the similarities.

Jamar is listed at 198cm on the MFC website so hopefully the shrinkage does not hard his development. And WOW I did not know 5cm of height would impact your development as a football. Maybe height is not relevant. Hmmm.

For every Jamar that comes good, there are a heap of Paul Johnsons that don't. I don't want the MFC to hang onto every player who is clearly not up to it just because Jamar is.

I dont that thats the issue.