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[Gorgoroth 12,353]

7 hours ago, Macca said:

The week 2 incident was not late at all ... nor was it illegal.  Nor does it have anything to do with whatever happened in the past.

It is simply a bad rule

You should be totally outraged by the decision and I am wondering why you aren't outraged because normally you would be? 

 

 

I agree, it’s a [censored] rule. 

Matthews has been dudded, the reason I’m not outraged is cos I knew this was going to happen and I’m just shaking my head at how poor it is.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

7 hours ago, Macca said:

What about you Dappa?

You'd normally be all over the Matthews incident ... nothing to say?

The story led just about every NFL show in the States and is an absolute game-changer.

Would I?

I dunno. I think I might have missed it during game time...

Not good, is it. I think you should be rightly aggrieved.

[layzie 29,760]

19 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Would I?

I dunno. I think I might have missed it during game time...

Not good, is it. I think you should be rightly aggrieved.

Was easy to miss, the focal point of the play was the interception. Before it got waved off that is.

[Macca 16,173]

17 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Would I?

I dunno. I think I might have missed it during game time...

Not good, is it. I think you should be rightly aggrieved.

Not aggrieved as such because bad calls can happen in your favour ... for instance, the 'Fail-Mary' Golden Tate catch in Seattle with the replacement refs versus the Des Bryant catch that was ruled a non catch in a playoff game against the Pack.  We well and truly won out on that score even though it took a couple of years!

I just don't like bad rulings or bad law ... the 2 calls against Brayshaw & Lewis last Friday is a classic case of an ill-defined rule.  And it could have cost us.

In an earlier post I intimated that this new rule on 'Roughing the Passer' is going to suit the Packers hands down ... you give Rodgers a 15 yard penalty and he'll make you pay.  So I hope we milk the new ruling until the cows come home (no pun intended ?) And I reckon the new rule was created because of the Rodgers injuries. 

Are they going to pay the Matthews-like 'indiscretion' all the time?  I highly doubt it.  Thus,  another problem is created.  Zero consistency with a new bad rule.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

Are they going to pay the Matthews-like 'indiscretion' all the time?  I highly doubt it.  Thus,  another problem is created.  Zero consistency with a new bad rule.

We can all always laugh when it's a bad call and it doesn't affect the decision. I think we're going to see a number of games decided by these situations. This one might not even end up the worst.

[Macca 16,173]

Ok ... here's the video of the Matthews tackle.  You can make up your own mind about it but my view is that it is a bad rule. 

The other new rule is the helmet to helmet ruling which in my opinion is a good new rule.  Below the Matthews video is the video of the hit on Cam Newton from the weekend.  The link can be viewed on youtube.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Macca

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

We can all always laugh when it's a bad call and it doesn't affect the decision. I think we're going to see a number of games decided by these situations. This one might not even end up the worst.

Yep,  you're right Dappa.  It stands to reason that we'll see all sorts of variable decisions with this new rule.  But the NFL have double-downed on the new ruling by sending a video of the incident to all of the 32 clubs - in terms of what not to do.  We know that some refs are more over-zealous than others so therefore inconsistent outcomes can be expected.

If I was McCarthy I'd be at the refs for the entire game pleading for penalties against Rodgers ... they lay a fingernail on him and I'm bleating like a sheep ? Brady does it constantly so we should join in hey? 

Anyway,  watch the 2 videos that I posted directly (above) and see for yourself

[Gorgoroth 12,353]

The hit on Newton is bad, and should be penalised. As for Matthews, the NFL need to come out in public and state what he did wrong and how he should have tackled him.

[Macca 16,173]

16 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

The hit on Newton is bad, and should be penalised. As for Matthews, the NFL need to come out in public and state what he did wrong and how he should have tackled him.

On a brighter note your lads racked up a 34 - 0 win and didn't get out of 3rd gear by all reports. 

You've got one hell of a roster there with no apparent weak spots. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

45 minutes ago, Macca said:

On a brighter note your lads racked up a 34 - 0 win and didn't get out of 3rd gear by all reports. 

You've got one hell of a roster there with no apparent weak spots. 

Have they ever @Gorgoroth

Long way to go but it feels like Rams at the moment in the NFC.

 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

Anyway,  watch the 2 videos that I posted directly (above) and see for yourself

Couldn't view second for some reason.

But the lifting up thing... like so many rules, you could argue a LOT of tackles are lifting up types. I think the interpretation was far too strict. That's just my opinion though.

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, Dappa Dan said:

Have they ever @Gorgoroth

Long way to go but it feels like Rams at the moment in the NFC.

Packers go to the Rams in week 8 after our bye week but we've got a huge battle on our hands in the NFC North ... the Bears are a much improved team whilst the Vikes seem to be the team to beat and the Lions are also quite capable on their day.

[Macca 16,173]

3 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Couldn't view second for some reason.

But the lifting up thing... like so many rules, you could argue a LOT of tackles are lifting up types. I think the interpretation was far too strict. That's just my opinion though.

Try this link which takes you to youtube ... Cam Newton helmet to helmet hit @ Atlanta

As for the lifting up part of a tackle ... the refs often just get the one look at it without the aid of video replay.  A natural lift occurs when 2 players meet each other going in opposite directions so how can any incident be adjudicated correctly?

Asking for trouble with this new ruling - Grey area/interpretation/ill-defined rule = inconsistent outcomes.  I hope we're not talking about it beyond this week but I'm not holding my breath on that.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Try this link which takes you to youtube ... Cam Newton helmet to helmet hit @ Atlanta

As for the lifting up part of a tackle ... the refs often just get the one look at it without the aid of video replay.  A natural lift occurs when 2 players meet each other going in opposite directions so how can any incident be adjudicated correctly?

Yeah. It's funny, in my minds eye before rewatching the Matthews one, I thought I saw Matthews left hand get under the leg a little bit and flip him slightly. As it turns out, that was just my imagination.

I'm confident this one will calm down. Sadly in the AFL, the same thing happens... an off season will yield some dicey rules, and the interpretation is what will adjust. I feel like the NFL will do the same thing we do, and never outwardly accuse refs of bad calls, until it's in their interests to do so... But over time, they'll calm down a bit.

What'll end up happening, is QBs will be pushed open palmed and not tackled anymore... A push from a lineman in this league will take down all but Big Ben, Cam and Wentz maybe.... along with the super elusive guys. Perhaps that will become the new norm.

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Yeah. It's funny, in my minds eye before rewatching the Matthews one, I thought I saw Matthews left hand get under the leg a little bit and flip him slightly. As it turns out, that was just my imagination.

I'm confident this one will calm down. Sadly in the AFL, the same thing happens... an off season will yield some dicey rules, and the interpretation is what will adjust. I feel like the NFL will do the same thing we do, and never outwardly accuse refs of bad calls, until it's in their interests to do so... But over time, they'll calm down a bit.

What'll end up happening, is QBs will be pushed open palmed and not tackled anymore... A push from a lineman in this league will take down all but Big Ben, Cam and Wentz maybe.... along with the super elusive guys. Perhaps that will become the new norm.

I don't mind the QB's being tackled to the ground ... their way of avoiding that is to get rid of the ball quickly or to show some elusive skills. 

If they come out of the pocket they should be fair game and if they hold on to the ball too long,  the same.  It's fair enough that their head and knees can't be targeted but the torso tackle or torso hit is fine by me. 

And the above is coming from someone who's premier QB has had 2 broken collarbones in the last 5 years.  It's getting way too soft for QB's and the new breed of QB may not require much courage to play the sport. 

Who's got the best arm wins (without much contact) should not be the norm but it is heading that way.  Great for those who are nuts on fantasy sports but I do not watch the sport for that reason and I doubt I ever will.

[Gorgoroth 12,353]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

On a brighter note your lads racked up a 34 - 0 win and didn't get out of 3rd gear by all reports. 

You've got one hell of a roster there with no apparent weak spots. 

 

49 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

Have they ever @Gorgoroth

Long way to go but it feels like Rams at the moment in the NFC.

 

We could have done with Mack...ha ha

Greg our means our kicking game drops a bit and cooper as return man is also out.

TBH, when I read that Peters and Talib have given up a combined 37yrds in the first 2 weeks it hits home how good they are.

Look, we have all the parts, at the moment it’s all going pretty well, but we have played the Raiders and Cards, our next 9 weeks prior to the bye will tell a much bigger story. If we lost a Oline player or two and things could change.

[layzie 29,760]

2 hours ago, Macca said:

On a brighter note your lads racked up a 34 - 0 win and didn't get out of 3rd gear by all reports. 

You've got one hell of a roster there with no apparent weak spots. 

Best performance of the week. Of the games I saw at least. Starting to look like The Greatest Show On Turf!

[Macca 16,173]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

Best performance of the week. Of the games I saw at least. Starting to look like The Greatest Show On Turf!

I just had a look at your Niner's next 5 ... oook! 

You've got Arizona at home but the other 4 are real tough.  We're about to find out very quickly whether you've got a chance at the playoffs. 

[layzie 29,760]

7 minutes ago, Macca said:

I just had a look at your Niner's next 5 ... oook! 

You've got Arizona at home but the other 4 are real tough.  We're about to find out very quickly whether you've got a chance at the playoffs. 

Yep, like a Champions League group of death the next month. Your Pack at Lambeau in week 6 which I’m not confident about at all. Then Gorg’s Rams! 

I’m not dreaming big this season to be honest. I thought we would challenge for playoffs but when Jerick Mckinnon did his ACL those chances took a hit. We had big plans for him in the offense. 8-8 would be a great result I reckon.

[Macca 16,173]

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Yep, like a Champions League group of death the next month. Your Pack at Lambeau in week 6 which I’m not confident about at all. Then Gorg’s Rams! 

I’m not dreaming big this season to be honest. I thought we would challenge for playoffs but when Jerick Mckinnon did his ACL those chances took a hit. We had big plans for him in the offense. 8-8 would be a great result I reckon.

@ KC first up might shed some light ... if you could somehow eke out a win either at the Chiefs or at the Chargers a week later then you're in with a chance.  A good win away from home instills real confidence much like it has with our Demons.  Win and then you can win again.  Your run home isn't too tough.

[layzie 29,760]

29 minutes ago, Macca said:

@ KC first up might shed some light ... if you could somehow eke out a win either at the Chiefs or at the Chargers a week later then you're in with a chance.  A good win away from home instills real confidence much like it has with our Demons.  Win and then you can win again.  Your run home isn't too tough.

It’s definitely all about momentum this league. We’re a chance but would have to improve a bit to match it with the big boys. The line is still a slight worry especially interior, Jimmy is getting hit too often. 

But you can only go one week at a time

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

It’s definitely all about momentum this league. We’re a chance but would have to improve a bit to match it with the big boys. The line is still a slight worry especially interior, Jimmy is getting hit too often. 

But you can only go one week at a time

Yes although I reckon most Match Committees/Coaching Departments look at the next block of 4 games in just about any sport ... the players just need to get ready for the next game but the coaching departments often have to plan ahead with regards to scouting and future match-ups.

We fans can do as we please as we're just mere onlookers anyway ... it's all out of our control. I much preferred sport when I had some sort of say in proceedings layz!

Can you imagine the planning ahead that would go on at an NFL team? 

[layzie 29,760]

31 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yes although I reckon most Match Committees/Coaching Departments look at the next block of 4 games in just about any sport ... the players just need to get ready for the next game but the coaching departments often have to plan ahead with regards to scouting and future match-ups.

We fans can do as we please as we're just mere onlookers anyway ... it's all out of our control. I much preferred sport when I had some sort of say in proceedings layz!

Can you imagine the planning ahead that would go on at an NFL team? 

For sure. Planning, planning and more planning. Buckley at our game on Fri night said a lot about this theory. 

In the current NFL I think you really have to be a brainy, nerdy type that spends all day studying film and refining tactics to be a head coach. A real obsessed type. The days of coaches you could have a beer with like Rex Ryan are dying. 

Edited September 19, 2018 by layzie

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