Hawthorn and Carlton have re-established themselves as strong clubs by getting recent legends of the club with high profiles to return and help out at the Board and Coaching level e.g Dermie and Dunstall at the Hawks and Williams, Sticks and Ratten at the Blues. So far we only have Jimmy as the sole spokesman of the MFC revival - why aren't Lyon, Viney and the OX making a united Coalition at the MFC - actions speak louder then words gentleman. Especially considering you were all too happy too take money under the table which led to us losing draft picks. Time to give something meaningful back to the club that gave you the opportunity to become what you are today.

Has Lyon done a thing for the MFC since retiring 10 years ago?

We made hm what he is today, yet he seems to give nothing back.

Has Lyon done a thing for the MFC since retiring 10 years ago?

We made hm what he is today, yet he seems to give nothing back.

Lyon has said in the past that he has the game plan to win a Premiership. Woosha and Roos (from Lyon's era) have delivered it for their loved clubs. Voss wants to win a Premiership as coach for his old club and Buckley has all but said it. MFC supporters always cop it from everyone for being weak and not sticking fat with club - same question has to be asked of our highly paid passed champions!

Has Lyon done a thing for the MFC since retiring 10 years ago?

We made hm what he is today, yet he seems to give nothing back.

Lyons is one of Jim's best mates. Lyon can not do much but I am sure if Jim asked him to do something he would and im sure Jim has already we just don't know about it.

Has Lyon done a thing for the MFC since retiring 10 years ago?

We made hm what he is today, yet he seems to give nothing back.

Yes. And when he was there he backed the merger -- though I seem to remember he tried to rewrite history on that one a few years later.

Yes. And when he was there he backed the merger -- though I seem to remember he tried to rewrite history on that one a few years later.

Lyon was my favourite player when I was young and naive. Ever since he ha entered the media he reminds me too much of a Iain Chappel wannabe without the record to back it up. Lyon was a highly talented player, and a great public speaker/orrator. When I took the blinkers off a few years ago I realised he used to be very a soft footballer. Nonetheless, Lyon as media personality takes great delight in taking pot shots at players who do the same thing as he did as a NQR.

Lyon was my favourite player when I was young and naive. Ever since he ha entered the media he reminds me too much of a Iain Chappel wannabe without the record to back it up. Lyon was a highly talented player, and a great public speaker/orrator. When I took the blinkers off a few years ago I realised he used to be very a soft footballer. Nonetheless, Lyon as media personality takes great delight in taking pot shots at players who do the same thing as he did as a NQR.

He was never soft

Hawthorn and Carlton have re-established themselves as strong clubs by getting recent legends of the club with high profiles to return and help out at the Board and Coaching level e.g Dermie and Dunstall at the Hawks and Williams, Sticks and Ratten at the Blues. So far we only have Jimmy as the sole spokesman of the MFC revival - why aren't Lyon, Viney and the OX making a united Coalition at the MFC - actions speak louder then words gentleman. Especially considering you were all too happy too take money under the table which led to us losing draft picks. Time to give something meaningful back to the club that gave you the opportunity to become what you are today.

Lets get some facts straight.

No body knows the situation between past players and their current role - or lack there of, within the club.

Todd Viney - Was midfield coach at the Hawks for years, until he returned home only this year to Adelaide to coach there.

The Ox - He was forward coach at the Bullies for a number of years, whilst having a media role

Garry Lyon - As we all know has a number of media commitments, which would obviously restrict the capacity of the role he could perform if any, at the club. He often says that he gets down to the club as much as he can, and he did also play a role when trying to net players during the pre season.

The fact is, this is more of a blight on our previous administration rather than the ex players them selfs.

Has Lyon done a thing for the MFC since retiring 10 years ago?

We made hm what he is today, yet he seems to give nothing back.

Garry Lyon learnt his Media chops doing "The Junior Supporters Club" at about 6:30 on Saturday morning on ch 7. He always wanted a job on the idiot box.

I'm sure he is in contact with Jimma fairly regulairly. If stynesy can reunite old ex Presidents i have a good feeling that ex players will return in time.

The fact is, this is more of a blight on our previous administration rather than the ex players them selfs.

Are you saying that Gary and Co. were bigger contributors at the club during other (Pre-Gardner) administrations? Or that it is the fault of every administration until now that Gary and Co. haven't contributed more?

Ever since he entered the media he reminds me too much of a Ian Chappel wannabe. Lyon was a highly talented player, and a great public speaker/orrator. When I took the blinkers off a few years ago I realised he used to be very a soft footballer. Lyon as media personality takes great delight in taking pot shots at players....

Lyon does his job. All part of the territory. He was far from soft. You have NFI.

Are you saying that Gary and Co. were a bigger contributors at the club during other (Pre-Gardner) administrations? Or that it is the fault of every administration until now that Gary and Co. haven't contributed more?

The Later.

Particually in the case of Viney and Ox

The Later.

Particually in the case of Viney and Ox

In that case, allow me to edit your previous post.

The fact is, this is more of a blight on every previous administration over the last 12 or so years and ex players are not responsible for their actions or lacktherof during this period.

I think Lyon is more afraid of losing his 'reputation' than he has to gain as being a major stakeholder at the Dees. I have great respect for the man and I'm pretty sure I've heard him say he pulls his weight behind the scenes, I just think he doesn't want to be seen as having 'too many fingers in the pots'. I think he did a fantastic Job promoting the Debt Demolition last year and help Jimmy out. I don't think we see it as much as it occurs. I'm just glad he's nothing like BT... I would much rather be this way than be one iota like that giant spanner.

Viney as stated, now back in SA, probably little chance we'll see him at the MFC although I think it would be nice one day. And the OX, probably a little in the same boat as Gary...? Too many media commitments?

In that case, allow me to edit your previous post.

oohh ok........sorry mate

oohh ok........sorry mate

No worries. It is just a little confusing when what you say is apparently different to what you mean.

Can you believe the nerve of all those previous administrations though - knocking back the offers of help that our ex players must have been making? Administrators must all be bonkers. Makes you wonder why so many of them donate their time to become board members if they aren't interested in receiving help from our past greats for the good of the club.

Hmm...

Just for the record, does everyone remember Brock Mclean putting in $5000 to the Debt Demolition?

Well, there were a few other players in there, including Neitz, I think Viney... Connolly was in there, and Dean Bailey as well, just in case anyone ever doubt's his commitment to the club - but the point here is that one Gary Lyon was not just on the list of major contributors, he was pretty highly 'ranked' as well - the order was highest to lowest contribution, although of course they didn't publish the exact sums.

Lyon is still there for the Demons, don't worry about that.

Can you believe the nerve of all those previous administrations though - knocking back the offers of help that our ex players must have been making? Administrators must all be bonkers. Makes you wonder why so many of them donate their time to become board members if they aren't interested in receiving help from our past greats for the good of the club.

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For the record, I dont think the Ox was formerly a coach in any role at the WBs. I think it was more an informal mentoring role.

The Ox - He was forward coach at the Bullies for a number of years, whilst having a media role

Wasn't it just last year he started helping out at WB?

Hmm...

Just for the record, does everyone remember Brock Mclean putting in $5000 to the Debt Demolition?

Well, there were a few other players in there, including Neitz, I think Viney... Connolly was in there, and Dean Bailey as well, just in case anyone ever doubt's his commitment to the club - but the point here is that one Gary Lyon was not just on the list of major contributors, he was pretty highly 'ranked' as well - the order was highest to lowest contribution, although of course they didn't publish the exact sums.

Lyon is still there for the Demons, don't worry about that.

He should be commended for that at least. Mind you, I got a bit of a laugh when I came across this old post of yours:

Gary Lyon is definately active. Just not on stage, so to speak.

He's our corporate relations ninja.

So that's why the sponsorship deals took so long!

Hmm...

Just for the record, does everyone remember Brock Mclean putting in $5000 to the Debt Demolition?Well, there were a few other players in there, including Neitz, I think Viney... Connolly was in there, and Dean Bailey as well, just in case anyone ever doubt's his commitment to the club - but the point here is that one Gary Lyon was not just on the list of major contributors, he was pretty highly 'ranked' as well - the order was highest to lowest contribution, although of course they didn't publish the exact sums.

Lyon is still there for the Demons, don't worry about that.

No. I remember Brock putting in $10K.

So that's why the sponsorship deals took so long!

So Hazy, do you think the current board have done a fine job off-field so far?

So Hazy, do you think the current board have done a fine job off-field so far?

Some good, some bad - I'm nowhere near as impressed as most people on here seem to be. I certainly wouldn't say "fine".

Probaby best to start another thread (or resurrect an old one) if you want to discuss this properly though. edit: (Although I admit I was being a bit of a smart alec with the sponsorship reference just now).

I still stand by everything that I have written so far, if that is what you are getting at.

Some good some bad - I'm nowhere near as impressed as most people on here seem to be. I certainly wouldn't say "fine".

Probaby best to start another thread (or resurrect an old one) if you want to discuss this properly though.

I still stand by everything that I have written so far, if that is what you are getting at.

I know, I won't go bumping an old thread and go over old ground. I know where you stand. It's fair to say, so do alot of others.

You mentioned the sponsorship deals.

But I will ask you this: -

Despite the 'time delay' it took to sign the suited sponsors for the club, as you have referred to it, in the past. Are you happy with the sponsorship deals the club has in place at present?

I think Lyon is more afraid of losing his 'reputation' than he has to gain as being a major stakeholder at the Dees.

My frustration with Lyon, whom I admired as a player, is his reluctance to stick his neck out for the dees. I understand that he wants to be seen as neutral in his commentary roles, but plenty of others -- all those Collingwood/Essendon/St Kilda/Carlton supporters in the media (North, too, of course) all go into bat for those teams. Those w. a Melbourne bias, like Lyon or Mike Sheahan, feel the need to hide their support under a bushel. We need all the support we can get!