aaahhhh figures

Yes, figures. Statistics. Evidence. That kind of thing.

Yes, figures. Statistics. Evidence. That kind of thing.

start googling missed chances nancy and then come back with records

as I said its the ones you miss that COUNT

if you want to quote statistics go to the jack watts threads.they are full of that

start googling missed chances nancy and then come back with records

as I said its the ones you miss that COUNT

if you want to quote statistics go to the jack watts threads.they are full of that

I've got my evidence - most dismissals in an Ashes series.

If you can find evidence to back up your dropped catches theory, bring it. If you can't, shove it.

I've got my evidence - most dismissals in an Ashes series.

If you can find evidence to back up your dropped catches theory, bring it. If you can't, shove it.

stick with him,he also has leadership qualities

still not the best KEEPER in Australia

a penny for your stoginess though

google dropped chances and thiers a catalogue of brad haddin.india is a good start,he nearly stumped a batsman that was 38 feet down the pitch

Edited November 17, 201311 yr by jazza

your right as usual.batting average for marshy 26I forgot aboutroger wooleykevin wrightgreg dyerphil emerygraham manou

Marsh was first selected in Tests in front of Brian Taber, a renowned better keeper but worse bat. Marsh did go onto to become a great keeper

Marsh hit 92 not out in his fourth test and was the first Australian keeper to hit a century in Tests.

And you conveniently forgot Ian Healy in nit picking.....

stick with him,he also has leadership qualitiesstill not the best KEEPER in Australiaa penny for your stoginess thoughgoogle dropped chances and thiers a catalogue of brad haddin.india is a good start,he nearly stumped a batsman that was 38 feet down the pitch

Titan is right you should shove it.

He still has an Ashes record and pizzant efforts to deride him are petty and puerile.

Titan is right you should shove it.

He still has an Ashes record and pizzant efforts to deride him are petty and puerile.

thanks dad

didn't deride him .

the subject I commented on was the best keeper in Australia.

and its not haddin

ashes record.good on him,we should all hold hands and dance in the street

we're saved haddin is here to lead us out of the mire,

spose you will bring up wayne Phillips next

Away from the low brow elements......

Matthew Wade has been fined and suspended for one shield match for pitch tampering.

Eek as Captain of Victoria and an aspiring Test player, that is not a good look.

The gap between Paine and Wade just widened.

ok

pick the ex paki?

stick with the lyon?

go with 4 quicks?

play an all rounder?

ok

pick the ex paki?

stick with the lyon?

go with 4 quicks?

play an all rounder?

Keep Lyon in. 3 quicks, 1 spinner plus Smith and Watson makes 6 bowling options.

I also think Lyon should play.

I'd be interested to know who the next batting cab off the rank is; while they may not appear superstars, there are a few guys in good form right now. It's more than could be said previously, so it's something.

same rogue,but at this time of need,a batsman with solid defensive structure is required as we are very vulnerable to the wobbles

rather that than the attacking waster selected

ok

pick the ex paki?

stick with the lyon?

go with 4 quicks?

play an all rounder?

I'd go with Fawad Ahmed yes. Even as recently as Englands last tour game against that Invitational XI, they showed their famous weakness against leg spin with young Victorian James Muirhead taking 6 of Australia's 13 wickets for the match. Copped some punishment, but he was taking wickets. Watch out for Muirhead in the future as well, has a lot of talent this kid!

Lyon's a defensive bowler and we need to take 20 wickets. He's not a bad bowler, but I don't see us getting a lot better with him in our XI, now's the time to roll the dice with Fawad.

I'm against 4 quicks almost all the time, except the WACA on the odd occasion when we have 4 quicks in red hot form, no specialist spinner in form and we can use the likes of Clarke, Smith & Warner for part time relief.

Watson as the all rounder at 3, but wouldn't want to bowl him much more then 10 overs a day. I think in time Faulkner may become a genuine all rounder, but he's probably not there yet, although I'd play him as a bowler ahead of Johnson myself.

My XI would be:

C. Rogers

D. Warner

S. Watson

M. Clarke*

G. Bailey

S. Smith

+B. Haddin

J. Faulkner

P. Siddle

R. Harris

F. Ahmed

12th Man: M. Johnson

But obviously Johnson & Lyon are both going to play ahead of Faulkner & Ahmed.

POMS TO WIN IN SERIES WHITEWASH

Putting on my soothsayer hat I predict

1 Watson to break down for yet the Nth time and as result, placing test career in extreme doubt.

2 Mitch Johnson to bowl so many "unplayable balls" by virtue that he will be all over the place in yet another "Insipid" waste of the new ball.

3 Nathan "I don't spin the ball at all" to be "Belted" out of the attack and therefore playing his last test for Australia, Fawad Ahmed "Come on down!

4 Iron Gloves Haddin to have a stinker with bat and gloves therefore leaving test career in jeopardy again.

5 Clarke to captain poorly and have even more critics than before.

6 Rhino Harris to bowl himself into stress fracture territory.

That will suffice for the moment!

Lyon > Ahmed, so if we play a spinner it's Lyon. That much is undebatable, Ahmed's simply nowhere near good enough right now.

I'd play Lyon over Faulkner, four quicks is a recipe for disaster I think.

Storms forecast for every day of the Test. Don't be surprised if it's 0-0 going to Adelaide.

POMS TO WIN IN SERIES WHITEWASH

Putting on my soothsayer hat I predict

1 Watson to break down for yet the Nth time and as result, placing test career in extreme doubt.

2 Mitch Johnson to bowl so many "unplayable balls" by virtue that he will be all over the place in yet another "Insipid" waste of the new ball.

3 Nathan "I don't spin the ball at all" to be "Belted" out of the attack and therefore playing his last test for Australia, Fawad Ahmed "Come on down!

4 Iron Gloves Haddin to have a stinker with bat and gloves therefore leaving test career in jeopardy again.

5 Clarke to captain poorly and have even more critics than before.

6 Rhino Harris to bowl himself into stress fracture territory.

That will suffice for the moment!

youll get shot for writing half of this stuff

but thanks for the rundown.i agree with it all

Johnson throwing cream pies among the unplayables is a worry

then again it could all go smoothly and we will be one up and cheering

Edited November 19, 201311 yr by jazza

Lyon > Ahmed, so if we play a spinner it's Lyon. That much is undebatable, Ahmed's simply nowhere near good enough right now.

Nathan Lyon Fawad Ahmed

49 First Class Matches 21

146 Wickets 67

38.11 Average 31.25

3.15 Economy 3.67

72.4 Strike Rate 51.0

7/94 Best Figures/Innings 6/68

9/165 Best Figures/Match 8/77

Sorry to say TU, but those stats don't back up your opinion. Fawad takes more wickets every game he plays at a better strike rate and better average. Lyon economy is also only half a run better then Fawad Ahmed's to date and although he has better match and innings figures then Fawad, he's had an extra 28 First Class matches in which to do it. I know Lyon will play in Brisbane and no doubt Adelaide. But if he fails to impress in the openning two tests, I can see 4 quicks in Perth followed by a Fawad debut on Boxing Day.

aaahhhh figures

Nathan Lyon Fawad Ahmed

49 First Class Matches 21

146 Wickets 67

38.11 Average 31.25

3.15 Economy 3.67

72.4 Strike Rate 51.0

7/94 Best Figures/Innings 6/68

9/165 Best Figures/Match 8/77

Sorry to say TU, but those stats don't back up your opinion. Fawad takes more wickets every game he plays at a better strike rate and better average. Lyon economy is also only half a run better then Fawad Ahmed's to date and although he has better match and innings figures then Fawad, he's had an extra 28 First Class matches in which to do it. I know Lyon will play in Brisbane and no doubt Adelaide. But if he fails to impress in the openning two tests, I can see 4 quicks in Perth followed by a Fawad debut on Boxing Day.

My comment was based on the present - right now Lyon's bowling better than Ahmed. So I'm not particularly phased by Ahmed's history.

Ahmed had that 6-for a few matches back, and has since been impotent. Lyon's been consistent; he's never been a big turner, but unlike Ahmed he's learnt to get rid of the bad balls and be consistent through matches. His economy rate in the Shield is 1.3 runs better than Ahmed's.

Australian cricket continually throws out good-to-average performers in search of the next big thing. Ahmed is a leg spinner, so people see him as the next big thing. He is capable of taking a bag of wickets, yes, but he's just as likely to be 0/100 in his debut innings. Think Bryce McGain and Jason Krejza - capable of taking wickets, incapable of stemming the flow of runs. We will not win this Ashes series if their batsmen are able to get off the hook, and that's what Ahmed will do, without being sufficiently better than Lyon to warrant his selection.

We need to put some faith in Lyon, who bowls well on Australian pitches with extra bounce. If Ahmed can improve his economy rate in the current Shield season, getting rid of the bad balls, he'll be a more selectable proposition.

aaahhhh figures

This thread was so much more interesting/pleasant before you appeared in it.

Nathan Lyon Fawad Ahmed

49 First Class Matches 21

146 Wickets 67

38.11 Average 31.25

3.15 Economy 3.67

72.4 Strike Rate 51.0

7/94 Best Figures/Innings 6/68

9/165 Best Figures/Match 8/77

Sorry to say TU, but those stats don't back up your opinion. Fawad takes more wickets every game he plays at a better strike rate and better average. Lyon economy is also only half a run better then Fawad Ahmed's to date and although he has better match and innings figures then Fawad, he's had an extra 28 First Class matches in which to do it. I know Lyon will play in Brisbane and no doubt Adelaide. But if he fails to impress in the openning two tests, I can see 4 quicks in Perth followed by a Fawad debut on Boxing Day.

Lyon's Test average, which is far more relevant, is 33 (as opposed to his F/C average of 38). Lyon's Test economy rate and strike-rate are also both better than his F/C figures.

My comment was based on the present - right now Lyon's bowling better than Ahmed. So I'm not particularly phased by Ahmed's history.

Ahmed had that 6-for a few matches back, and has since been impotent. Lyon's been consistent; he's never been a big turner, but unlike Ahmed he's learnt to get rid of the bad balls and be consistent through matches. His economy rate in the Shield is 1.3 runs better than Ahmed's.

Australian cricket continually throws out good-to-average performers in search of the next big thing. Ahmed is a leg spinner, so people see him as the next big thing. He is capable of taking a bag of wickets, yes, but he's just as likely to be 0/100 in his debut innings. Think Bryce McGain and Jason Krejza - capable of taking wickets, incapable of stemming the flow of runs. We will not win this Ashes series if their batsmen are able to get off the hook, and that's what Ahmed will do, without being sufficiently better than Lyon to warrant his selection.

We need to put some faith in Lyon, who bowls well on Australian pitches with extra bounce. If Ahmed can improve his economy rate in the current Shield season, getting rid of the bad balls, he'll be a more selectable proposition.

This thread was so much more interesting/pleasant before you appeared in it.

you like discussion

you don't like discussion

you quote figures

you dismiss figures

make up your mind nancy

for what its worth,the selectors have not a clue about spinners of late

I still see them falling for the old leg spinner trick

one bag of wickets and he will be hard to remove while lyon toils in SA

agar making runs and taking 3 for, will do more damage to the selectors minds when and if it happens

thanks for the roses TU,and have a nice day

you like discussion

you don't like discussion

you quote figures

you dismiss figures

make up your mind nancy

for what its worth,the selectors have not a clue about spinners of late

I still see them falling for the old leg spinner trick

one bag of wickets and he will be hard to remove while lyon toils in SA

agar making runs and taking 3 for, will do more damage to the selectors minds when and if it happens

thanks for the roses TU,and have a nice day

I love discussion, where did I say otherwise? If you're referring to my post directed at you, that is further evidence - saying 'ahhh figures' is not contributing to discussion, nor is calling Haddin a 'backstop'.

I didn't dismiss TD's figures, I explained why I don't think they make Ahmed a better bowler. In terms of Haddin, I provided a figure for dismissals: if you didn't like that, you could have provided a figure for dropped catches, or some other evidence, to explain why you don't think that the record for number of Ashes dismissals makes Haddin a good keeper.

The fact you think Agar making runs makes him a threatening bowler whilst taking 3-fors (which, by the way, he's not even doing, having not taken any more than 2 wickets in an innings this Shield season so far) is a sign of your understanding of cricket, unfortunately. His bowling in the Shield this season has been toothless. He's a nothing bowler right now. But that's OK, because he's young and there is plenty of time for him to learn. His batting shows he has talent as a cricketer, it may well be as an all-rounder (even a batsman), but right now he's a long way off.

no I think the selectors seeing agar do anything will send them into a frenzy if the current spinner has a failure,they have made this mistake since warne retired.list is high

picket fences called haddin iron gloves,you didn't unload then

you used only figures to enhance the keeper

all I did was direct you to the dropped ones

most cricketers refer to missed chances not ones taken

I think that fair discussion

but TD brings up figures and you ignore them and give opinion

I was simply doing the same thing

if you cant handle discussion, fine

i want bother you ,

but i have an opinion

so leave it alone and don't enter discussion with me

i losing to much sleep,

Edited November 19, 201311 yr by jazza

no I think the selectors seeing agar do anything will send them into a frenzy if the current spinner has a failure,they have made this mistake since warne retired.list is high

picket fences called haddin iron gloves,you didn't unload then

you used only figures to enhance the keeper

all I did was direct you to the dropped ones

most cricketers refer to missed chances not ones taken

I think that fair discussion

but TD brings up figures and you ignore them and give opinion

I was simply doing the same thing

if you cant handle discussion, fine

i want bother you ,

but i have an opinion

so leave it alone and don't enter discussion with me

i losing to much sleep,

The irony of those two sentences is delicious.

The irony of those two sentences is delicious.

not contributing to the discussion

works both ways nancy

I said in DISCUSSION would Australia pick a keeper or a backstop

this is current as the backstop is to help the brittle batting line up

you quoted figures and an ashes record

my response to that was to point out dropped catches count more than taken ones

I consider this discussion

you don't as it doesn't agree with your ideas

then TD comes up with figures

and YOU opine,and discount the figures

it seems to me if it doesn't go your way,its not discussion worthy

ps. don't tell anybody but this is discussion on current day events

I thought that's what the page was about

didn't realise it was for private ideas and no other opinions

greg dyer and phil emery send their best wishes