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Jeffo at least was taken in a shocking draft. He may well end up the 15th best player taken if he gets to 20 games.

So if we'd doubled our wins for the season we'd be close to making finals?

Barely even blue collar. It's mostly just celebrating with his teammates.

How about Viney scoring a try and not being pinged?

Goodwin still believes, after all this time, that the big three can get it done. When Adelaide started to peg us back in the 2nd, he immediately threw them in there together. I just can't stand it.

Did anyone watch him closely today? For a guy who doesn't do much with ball in hand, his work ethic is seriously lacking. There was an instance in the 3rd about 70 from Adelaide's goal where he was in a 50/50 with Berry (I think), and gave the most cursory chase. Landed a few metres behind Berry within a few seconds and gave them a clean look inside 50. Sorry to crack into a kid, and I think we can all see the talent is nowhere near where it should be for a pick 12 but haven't been giving him a bake given he's so young, but you lose that protection when you refuse to run, chase and tackle like your life depends on it. If we didn't hand out long contracts like they're lollies, I'd say that next year is a serious crossroads.

So the cliff is almost here. That was a reasonable performance but there was never a moment where we looked like we could win. They held us at arm's length from the minute we kicked our 5th goal in that run. Just a matter now of how quickly and effectively we can rebuild the list. We're going to be bottom 6 for the second season in a row, so rebuilding on the run clearly hasn't happened. Need to go very hard at trading assets like Oliver, Salem, Lever, Fritsch and hope that Gawn, May, Viney have enough decent footy in them to stop us from falling into a 2007-09 style hole while the kids develop. Could also trade Petracca, but I really don't want to see a guy with actual elite standards go when we have so many who half-[censored] it.

He never used to be.

Viney for two years from the end of 2026. Not that he was much chop at it the first time, doesn't seem like he has the interpersonal or communication skills, but there is nobody else left with anything resembling professional standards that would be up for the job.

The inmates are running the asylum. I understand the willingness to trade both, I agree that Oliver should go for a number of reasons, but they'll both be significantly better at new clubs.

Club is a shambles essentially across the board. We're a world away from where we were. Doubt the board, led as it is by a club legend with no governing experience, has any real idea of what to do next with Goodwin. Or what to do when it comes to hiring the next man up if they do sack him. On Goody himself, we are set for a second consecutive bottom six finish. Just about every young player we have looks like absolute [censored] despite having shown plenty in the past at either AFL (JVR, Windsor) or VFL (Tholstrup, Jefferson) level. Our senior players aren't lifting. He is absolutely tanking his reputation.

He must be a very difficult personality to manage as coach. His emotion/care-factor/pride are simultaneously huge strengths and weaknesses.

Bailey Laurie the 23 year old VFL player? Almost certainly not. Trent Rivers the 24 year old premiership player who was our best midfielder post-bye last year? Yes. He's a good chance at it.

Yes, watching that game. But that was far and away Petracca's worst game of the season. He looks tired which makes sense given we're due the bye and he lost so much conditioning. Petracca is more explosive, a better kick, a goalscorer, and more versatile. Oliver can do one thing, and he doesn't do it well anymore.

Oliver has to go. Its as simple as that. He is worse than he should be and the team is worse for having him in it.

Same story his whole career. He is at his best when he plays within his limitations.

"Is that a free kick? I mean, its forearm to the face, but is that a free kick". The butter won't melt attitude to the most fined player in history sickens me.

I have never seen a player who gets worse the longer he is in the team. Always looks amazing when he is swung in-game, and then over the next couple of weeks he stinks the place out.

McDonald was our best defender this season. Came out the minute a Goody favourite managed to get through a half of VFL footy without breaking a bone.

There is no world where Lever gets dropped. He's a liability, but Goody doesn't care.

He really wasn't bad. A totally acceptable game.

Adelaide score for fun and have good intercepting defenders. They will snap us in half offensively, and absorb every terrible kick to the hot spot from our three Premiership midfielders.

May used to pull that [censored] on Frost and McDonald constantly. Was pulled into line in 2021 when it was actually about being proper teammates. Gawn knew he made the error, he's lost more of these games than anyone, he didn't need May to do that. May had a great game, but stop defending his character.

Mate, you don't mess about with loading when you've started 0-5. There is no room for it. You have to beat teams like St Kilda, however much effort it takes, even if it means you're less of a chance vs Collingwood (a game you're 95% going to lose) the next week.

So many Dees supporters blindly refuse to see this. They treat him like he's sacred because of his form in 21-22. He's really not become as good as he should have, regardless of the reason. McDonald is a better defender and Turner is currently a better interceptor. Our selection integrity has been a little better this year with dropping JVR and Fritsch, but bringing him back in off a half in the VFL when our defence was humming was a step backwards.