Watts Jurrah Dunn?

Petrucelle the next pick? Best available before needs. Given the plethora of key and medium sized defenders we already have developing, I'm not sure about this one.

There is a 3 minute highlights video of him available on the afl.com.au Draft Machine. http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-machine Type in Oscar Baker. Looks a nice prospect but it almost looks like a non-contact league in that video, and I'm not sure AFL players will buy the candy he is selling.

From a couple of the Bigfooty Phantom's: Snoop Dog: Knightmare: Young Talent Time:

I reckon he's more Rory Sloane than Rory Sloane.

Mick Ablett must not do much list analysis before he runs with these suggestions. In an earlier show after we had brought in Lever he said that, given we love Lever so much, Oscar Claravino would be a good pick up as a similar player. Now he's got us taking a ruckman to play at Casey for the next 8 years behind Gawn?

Based on the fact he's had 5 seasons at AFL level where he's kicked over 30 goals in a season - numbers that Harmes and Bugg could only dream of. Put him in a training singlet and you'll be drooling over him in no time.

When fit, Crameri's a better player than Harmes and Bugg, who were regulars. He'd also have Kent and vandenBerg covered. Melksham and ANB's form was pretty solid. He'd probably compete with Hannan for a spot. I like Hannan, and am hopeful with a full pre-season he can be involved in games for longer. Hannan's also a heck of a lot quicker when it hits the deck. I see the forward line as something like: Petracca, McDonald, Melksham Garlett, Hogan, Hannan But you never have everyone available and form dips, so I'd be very happy to rookie Crameri.

Smart pick up by Adelaide. They lose a bit of run with Brodie Smith's injury and Charlie Cameron's likely departure, and give up nothing to secure a capable wingman who provides quality depth and insurance in case anything goes wrong with a David Mackay etc while in their premiership window.

Up in the air? You're kidding? Kelly went at 2 and Bontempelli at 4. They are 300 game elite bona fide A+ stars. Our Football Dept, recruiters, scouts all farked up enormously thinking that pick 2 was worth more bundled into a deal for Dom Tyson than seeing the potential in those kids. Tyson and Salem are just good ordinary footballers. And to say "we would have taken Billings" just further proves how wrong the FD got it. We would have got Hunt without the trade as we had pick 58 before the trade and took Hunt at 57, so take him out of your equation.

Yep, 31 is an absolute stinker if we are still paying half his salary. The only way 31 was justifiable was if Port were taking on all the $500k.

It all comes down to the salary. If we are not paying a cent of his salary, pick 31 is all we could have hoped for. We shot ourselves in the foot having him on $500k a year. No wonder he was so comfortable. It makes you wonder how much our spuds are getting paid when we don't have a bona fide star and Port can have Gray, Boak, Dixon, Hartlett, Wines, Wingard, Ryder, Rockliff and Motlop all on big money. Wow.

Thank you for sharing. I'd suggest Port are giving up a fair bit in that trade. I assume Melbourne must be paying a fair chunk of his salary to get it over the line.

We had pick 58 before the Kelly trade and ended up with 57, where we took Hunt. So we were always getting Hunt. The Tyson trade was a shocker.

The Pick 35 sh1ts me. With compo it will go to 37 or 38. Just speculative crap. For us to cough up two first rounders we had to make the Crows find us something in the Top 25. The soft Roos trading mantra of "win/win" and good blokeing yourself lives on.

Great thread, Deespencer. So many sycophants on here say "I'll back the Football Department on this one" and "Mahoney has a great record". They must not watch Josh Kelly & Matt Crouch play. We are a middle of the road side. The recruiting and trading can only have been just average. Unfortunately it all dates back to Roos' hippy, meditation style of "win-win" trading. I can't wait to start seeing the win out of the Salem and Tyson trade. "Oh but we got Jayden Hunt out of that trade". No. We had pick 58 before we traded the farm to GWS, and got pick 57 back which we took Hunt with. So we'd have got Hunt anyway if we hadn't traded pick 2. I wish the club had told Adelaide to get [censored] today, and told them come back to us when they've found a way to turn pick 35 into pick 25 for us.

But the bigger hole in the list is that we have no midfield class, pace or depth. Tom McDonald has to play forward to accommodate Lever. Tall defenders are hardly a gap in the list. They're there. I don't see any midfielders that can break away from a stoppage, evade, bounce and hit Hogan lace out. The midfield lacks pace and kicking skill. Lewis, Vince and Jones are approaching the end. Bradshaw is no certainty. It is absurd to trade 2 first round picks when we lack skill and pace through the middle AND the player has nominated us.

We'd get him for free? Or we'd have to use pick 10 in the Draft? Treloar was 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder back. However, Collingwood's first rounders were something like 6 and 8? Melbourne's are going to be 10 and 12-14 (hopefully). Lever is a Key Position Player, harder to find than midfielders.

Because, by even the most conservative estimates, we've offered him 4 years at $750k, which is an A Grade salary. Adelaide are quite rightly saying - you've made Lever one of the highest paid 22 year olds in the game - we've developed him beautifully - you're going to get 200 games out of him - your '17 and '18 first round picks aren't particularly special. 10 & 12 are hardly rolled gold top 5 picks.

I think it was Greg Denham the other day that said Freo are heavily into Menzel and he will be heading there.

From a mate of his, he's not completely cooked. GWS have really talked up the injuries so that his salary next year is paid by insurance rather than the club. They are up to their eyeballs and need the salary cap relief.

Among Lewis' first impressions were that the Melbourne boys are extremely happy with themselves and know how to party.

Yeah, let's stick with the quality finals players we have that can't make it into the finals. Hall would be a really handy pick up IMO. Who is shovelling it out to him at Gold Coast? The only bloke there that can win it is Ablett and then he gets the Clearance as well. I think Hall would be a good fit to complement Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw and add some acceleration away from stoppages. If you said to me we get a pick 30 for Watts and then send that to GC, I'd do it. I'd prefer an inconsistent lightning fast, line-breaking midfielder to an inconsistent half forward.

Haha you blokes are savage! I'm not saying he's a great kick, but he's no butcher. 2nd best kick in the comp last year for Inside 50's, fractionally behind Ablett. A butcher doesn't do that. 44 Clangers from 22 games this year. Better than some of the blokes we had sitting on the wing like Lewis and Tyson. Lewis had 68 clangers from 19 games and Tyson had 81 clangers from 19 games. Anyway, I'm not proposing Gibson for his kicking skills, but he plays a role we don't have and he costs nothing. Sure I'd prefer Gaff but he costs a lot more. Gibson provides an option all day up and down a wing, and is an elite defensive runner which would help with our one-paced inside midfielders who the opposition walk away from. The guys we had on the wing this year (Vince, Lewis, Tyson, Harmes, Hannan, Salem etc) are not wingers. If the club thinks Stretch is ready to step up and cement his spot, great, but I think the jury is out and Gibson would be a terrific stop-gap, free option.

So you wouldn't take Jack Ziebell who also finished equal 6th? Hasn't missed a game in 5 years since debuting in 2012. Certainly doesn't have the body of a 31 year old.

Forget about giving a first rounder for Gaff - here is the "moneyball" hard-running wingman we so desparately need. Elite-running, 15km per game, 31 year old midfielder who is in limbo at North and without a contract for next year as they look to go with youth. Extremely durable - played every game of the season 5 years in a row. North have been a top 4/top 8 side in that time. A late-comer to AFL only debuting in 2012. Finished equal 6th in North's B&F this year with Ziebell. 3rd in 2016 in a top 8 side. In 2017 he averaged 22 possessions, 4 marks and 3 tackles a game. 2nd Best Inside-50 kick in the comp in 2016 according to Champion Data. 3rd in the comp for Distance covered in Defence for 2017. Would suit us absolutely perfectly for a 2 year contract.