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Id have Tomlinson in the defence to take ruck and run Maxs defensive lines. Fullarton to do ruck duties and maxs forward lines. Verral as sub to replace him. Fullarton and Verral to be physical, run into and over whoever is contesting ball ups as appropriate. Id try and leave JVR and Kozzie in forward line with few rotations into the centre. Our backs are pretty solid with May, McVee, Bowser, Lever. Did AMW play back? to match and hold the bombers forwards We've found a few with Kolt, Windsor. Rivers in the centre. Melks back to support JVR, Fritter, Disco forward to worry the bombers backs. Match em up appropriately ANB, Sparrow, Vines, Clarry do their thing rotating off bench and matching the bombers mids and of course Lingers on the wing just running forward and back and adding that normal outlet in defence or forward. There's plenty of options in the squad, we are about to see it. we can and should beat this mob.

Very clever or should that be VERY CLEVER!

Thanks Binman your detail and analysis is again far more enllightened and articulate than mine. i will have to rethink exactly what i meant as it was based on my observation on a few matches I attended and most games on TV. I still believe we have the squad capable of beating all other teams but we stick to our structures and patterns irrespective of opposition . It appears as if there are miss matchups and slow responses when an opposition player is dominating. You have provided actual responses while i cant recall exact examples, so seriously thanks for your comprehensive response. I always value your comments, you have again indicated why. I guess I am also driven by frustration with the umpiring which I believe is strongly negative to both our game plan and individual players. Again I dont have your comprehensive and detailed reference to examples and data so I will return to my optimism and hope it will be resolved when we get to the finals, have improved standard of equitable umpiring and Goody employs the variability with our players to achieve the ultimate .

Agree with all of this. Would just add the May playing injured when Tomlinson could relieve him does display one aspect of Goodwin that I have always been critical of. He does seem to stick with his regular structure. I agree that there's nothing wrong with that coz it is a successful model. Its a team game and a squad game. with high attrition rates we need to have replacements for every player trained in the same structures and patterns. every one should be able to and I would say should be replaced by a similar player just to give them a rest while maintaining the muscle memory of the structure and strategies within the players and the collective. It is also necessary to have a plan B and C also rigorously applied to provide variation to confound oppositions that might structure against a fixed pattern.

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my comment was that we need to keep Kozzie forward. He provides more pressure and keeos 2 defenders occupied which releases a KPP to do their stuff and provide contests to release loose balls for Kpzzie to weave his magic and make space. Hes just wering himself out in the mid field.

ditto Kozzie

Perhaps at training they could get the forwards to do a lap of the ground or a 100 metre sprint, then line up for a shot at goal. not allowed off until they get 3 in a row,

surely will depend on if the AFL and umpires want nus in . We are still entertaining, close games are more exciting to non invested fans, so might get the gig. I doubt we would get the commentators loving us if we got last minute wins like the pies last year but......

Now that would be an interesting stat

Radio Birdman at the Croc Did I just tune into 1980???????

Collingwood managed to find a few players who just ground a superior opposition into the ground. They did it with thuggery but the competition will wake up to this strategy of attrition which achieves only degradation. WE now have a chance to promote some of our next generation . WE can still make finals and even succeed GO DEES

Id find space for Thommo. Maybe give MAy a rest, he seems to be playing injured. I know theres a bye but he may need a little longer to get cherry. Bring MAy and Lever both back fully fit and raring to go.

McRae said we knew they would come out breathing fire and thanked coaches. How about came out to play football, to attack the ball not bump and tackle the guy off the ball or going for the ball. Arrive at contests too late to participate but just knock it out and destroy the contest. Of Krueger he said you know you will get effort. We seemed to have a lot of effort but was more directed at playing the ball. Those saying we were weak are not correct. we did have players with less tackles. when you have or are playing the ball you cant tackle and are tackled. Our tackling was certainly deficient as we were giving our opponents too much latitude. Not close enough to contests to make a tackle. Not enough pressure on player with the ball to get turnover, Im not negative about our game plans and strategies. We did have as many shots at goal ours were always under pressure. Even a set shot has the pressure of fans barracking against you . The pies had huge loud support for set shots. Its a confidence thing as well. Im concerned about the loss of Trac but its now time to get a few others to get used to the pressure. Maybe we need to coach for that.

Not delete the speccy just make it a more athletic action. No need to destroy the game, just penalise a dangerous and or unnecesary act. There is already an unrealistic attempt rule. This is like most rules sporadically and unequally applied, so need to improve umpiring. Perhaps the off field umpire monitoring the game can advise the on field umpire if they are blindsided or miss the bloody obvious.

Trac is our Burgoyne Viney our Jarman Clarry our Ablett Kozzie our Rioli May our Scarlett Fritsch our Gunston they re the first to come to mind I hope we dont waste them. ???? others but I cant see our Mathews, Brereton, Maynard. Its changed times but wheres our thug and would our coach use him?

understand and accept your rection PF. I will certainly miss your training reports. I often queried from, all if our training sessions were conducted with vigour and intensity and usually received affirmation,. I dont think our players are soft or weak and today I saw plenty of examples from our players that would defy those descriptors. I do however say that the outcomes of our players are dictated by the officiating bodies. The lenience on Maynard at tribunal level sent a message to the umpires, dont penalise Collingwood players. Collingwood players aware of this status can play harder and with more brutality confident that they will not be penalised. Melbourne players know that if they play with vigour they will be scrutinised and penalised, JVR was penalised early on in his career, Kossie has also been penalised for less vigour than Collingwood players used today. WE play cautiously as that is what we have been dictated. Collingwood can play with abandon because they are allowed to. The Club does need to adress this at the highest level. I have been saying for many years we need to get the umpires on board, perhaps share our training facilities but definitely paying them to attend our training and tell us what we are doing wrong when applying vigorous tackles. I think the umpires do a great job, but soft frees to our opponents which are there are paid while we seem to only get the blatant obvious hard frees. Im disgruntled and I know many other supporters who are aware of and disgusted with the disparity in equity in free kicks. That games are now being decided by obvious blunders is highlighting this fact so something might be done, but i wont hold my breath

Wanted to unlike as I didnt actually agree with all of this. Dont wan to pay out , but dp want to bring in fresh eyes. Dont want to change everything about the game style. We did have more scoring shots after all. Would like to have the the direction reinforced so the players display it all the time. Goal kicking seems to be the most obvious issue. Some of that is skill and technique. Some would also appear to be midfield and forward coaching structures and connections between the two. WE need to start by the coaches working out why they are not getting the most out of the list we have. players with less skill or less resilience do hav eto have their role known. They are not all Max Trac Clarrie etc they nned to create space and smother tackle and shepherd so those players can perform their best.

True probably the last thing he might want to do. Can only be resolved by having the conversation with him which I am sure someone is doing. Im sure if he wanted to play cello or be a travel show host he would do it thoroughly and well. He has shown so much dedication and effort to be the best he will succeed in whatever path he engages in.

Yes as i stated earlier somewhere, we take the initiative and appoint him as the club Concussion Ambassador. Force the AFL to acknowledge and recognise the problem. I know it would not be easy but should be discussed when Gus is ready.

Well , the Chaos theorists would sort of disagree. There is order in chaos and patterns can be identified with enough data analysis. with Bifurcations and patterns defined by formula you just need to identify the strange attractor and where to apply the magic number and youve got it. Ive never been able to completely understand it but Im hoping someone in the club does.

Exactly. Its why I would like him to have an official League based role as Concussion Ambassador. Promoting all the scientific and research knowledge and adding a personal example. Like the Daniher story of MND there is plenty of opportunity. The added impact that it would constantly remind Maynard, Collingwood and their supporters of how appalling The whole affair was.

He obviously is a premiership player and coach and knows a bit about the game (and thugs) but i would rather that the players focus on the scoreboard and make maynards day miserable by flogging the Pies and reminding him at the end that he inspired the win.

thanks for that wasted my time on the AFL site and watched s past match which we lost. then came back here to get this link to watch the last few minutes . Will now go back over the thread to get the informed DLand commentary. It s always better after a win

thanks for that wasted my time on the AFL site and watched s past match which we lost. then came back here to get this link to watch the last few minutes . Will now go back over the thread to get the informed DLand commentary. It s always better after a win