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McRae said we knew they would come out breathing fire and thanked coaches. How about came out to play football, to attack the ball not bump and tackle the guy off the ball or going for the ball. Arrive at contests too late to participate but just knock it out and destroy the contest. Of Krueger he said you know you will get effort. We seemed to have a lot of effort but was more directed at playing the ball. Those saying we were weak are not correct. we did have players with less tackles. when you have or are playing the ball you cant tackle and are tackled. Our tackling was certainly deficient as we were giving our opponents too much latitude. Not close enough to contests to make a tackle. Not enough pressure on player with the ball to get turnover, Im not negative about our game plans and strategies. We did have as many shots at goal ours were always under pressure. Even a set shot has the pressure of fans barracking against you . The pies had huge loud support for set shots. Its a confidence thing as well. Im concerned about the loss of Trac but its now time to get a few others to get used to the pressure. Maybe we need to coach for that.

Not delete the speccy just make it a more athletic action. No need to destroy the game, just penalise a dangerous and or unnecesary act. There is already an unrealistic attempt rule. This is like most rules sporadically and unequally applied, so need to improve umpiring. Perhaps the off field umpire monitoring the game can advise the on field umpire if they are blindsided or miss the bloody obvious.

Trac is our Burgoyne Viney our Jarman Clarry our Ablett Kozzie our Rioli May our Scarlett Fritsch our Gunston they re the first to come to mind I hope we dont waste them. ???? others but I cant see our Mathews, Brereton, Maynard. Its changed times but wheres our thug and would our coach use him?

understand and accept your rection PF. I will certainly miss your training reports. I often queried from, all if our training sessions were conducted with vigour and intensity and usually received affirmation,. I dont think our players are soft or weak and today I saw plenty of examples from our players that would defy those descriptors. I do however say that the outcomes of our players are dictated by the officiating bodies. The lenience on Maynard at tribunal level sent a message to the umpires, dont penalise Collingwood players. Collingwood players aware of this status can play harder and with more brutality confident that they will not be penalised. Melbourne players know that if they play with vigour they will be scrutinised and penalised, JVR was penalised early on in his career, Kossie has also been penalised for less vigour than Collingwood players used today. WE play cautiously as that is what we have been dictated. Collingwood can play with abandon because they are allowed to. The Club does need to adress this at the highest level. I have been saying for many years we need to get the umpires on board, perhaps share our training facilities but definitely paying them to attend our training and tell us what we are doing wrong when applying vigorous tackles. I think the umpires do a great job, but soft frees to our opponents which are there are paid while we seem to only get the blatant obvious hard frees. Im disgruntled and I know many other supporters who are aware of and disgusted with the disparity in equity in free kicks. That games are now being decided by obvious blunders is highlighting this fact so something might be done, but i wont hold my breath

Wanted to unlike as I didnt actually agree with all of this. Dont wan to pay out , but dp want to bring in fresh eyes. Dont want to change everything about the game style. We did have more scoring shots after all. Would like to have the the direction reinforced so the players display it all the time. Goal kicking seems to be the most obvious issue. Some of that is skill and technique. Some would also appear to be midfield and forward coaching structures and connections between the two. WE need to start by the coaches working out why they are not getting the most out of the list we have. players with less skill or less resilience do hav eto have their role known. They are not all Max Trac Clarrie etc they nned to create space and smother tackle and shepherd so those players can perform their best.

True probably the last thing he might want to do. Can only be resolved by having the conversation with him which I am sure someone is doing. Im sure if he wanted to play cello or be a travel show host he would do it thoroughly and well. He has shown so much dedication and effort to be the best he will succeed in whatever path he engages in.

Yes as i stated earlier somewhere, we take the initiative and appoint him as the club Concussion Ambassador. Force the AFL to acknowledge and recognise the problem. I know it would not be easy but should be discussed when Gus is ready.

Well , the Chaos theorists would sort of disagree. There is order in chaos and patterns can be identified with enough data analysis. with Bifurcations and patterns defined by formula you just need to identify the strange attractor and where to apply the magic number and youve got it. Ive never been able to completely understand it but Im hoping someone in the club does.

Exactly. Its why I would like him to have an official League based role as Concussion Ambassador. Promoting all the scientific and research knowledge and adding a personal example. Like the Daniher story of MND there is plenty of opportunity. The added impact that it would constantly remind Maynard, Collingwood and their supporters of how appalling The whole affair was.

He obviously is a premiership player and coach and knows a bit about the game (and thugs) but i would rather that the players focus on the scoreboard and make maynards day miserable by flogging the Pies and reminding him at the end that he inspired the win.

thanks for that wasted my time on the AFL site and watched s past match which we lost. then came back here to get this link to watch the last few minutes . Will now go back over the thread to get the informed DLand commentary. It s always better after a win

thanks for that wasted my time on the AFL site and watched s past match which we lost. then came back here to get this link to watch the last few minutes . Will now go back over the thread to get the informed DLand commentary. It s always better after a win

I dont normally watch , but a bit interested in this . can you provide link

I think you have hit it there DD. Dont select him where he will be physically monstered. And if he is physically monstered teammates must stand up and remonstrate even if it means loss of focus and even the match. Match ups are so important and judicious use of the bench to gain an advantage or limit a damaging opponent is a real art.

Seems there wasnt a dangerous tackle available.

perhaps theyre just getting supporters used to the game changing free kicks that will happen for the favoured pies.

I always found (and still do) that there are some who have no emotions and found they were the most difficult to deal with as they did not know when they affected the emotions of others. Fortunately there are not many with no emotions and those who profess so are usually supressing it for some reason and often have difficulties because of that. We cannot be critical of any as the range of emotions is so broad. The emotions the Brayshaw incident arouses (as with most things) depends on how close one is to the issue, how much you have invested in the circumstances. Food o those who have moved on. Good on those who still have deep feelings. WE are all on the same journey. As Melbourne supporters our journey will be vastly different to a Pies supporter. I limit my anger by feeling sorry for those who cannot or will not appreciate the outcome to Brayshaw and our club. I do hope our players can focus and channel their emotions into a solid defeat of the Pies on Monday. I hope our coaches are able to address each individuals circumstances and coaless the range into a massive team performance.

i was never going to make it down and just found out that Bridge Road Brewery will have the match on the big screen here in Beechworth. Ben Kraus ( who has led the brewery since inception with Maria) is a bombers supporter, and interested in seeing how we perform and how the bombers can match up to the best, so has arranged for the coverage. I did have a BBQ planned with a blues supporting mate who always supports the dees against any other side. He is still sufferable. But I will be a poor loser tomorrow should that happen and concerned that the brewery might attract some Collingwood supporters, Ill be trying to direct them to the Nicholas Hotel where mine host is a rabid Collingwood supporter . Any other Demons in town coming down to the brewery?

Certainly understand that. It would only be done with and when Gus could agree (why I used sensitive reference). I really feel for Gus and still have difficulty even talking to Collingwood supporters who are almost always condescending in their comments and fall back to, its a football act and there was no penalty. Christ the penalty to Gus is total. Channelling loss grief into another topic can ameliorate the grief.

It might be sensitive for Angus but the club could make Gus our Concussion Ambassador. Spread the health and research efforts not only that he is already aware of but promote other activities. There are more comprehensive testing and assessing tools that are being introduced and Gus could be involved in highlighting these. Start with our club and force the AFL to join this initiative. Promote his situation at our home games and let us all celebrate and recognise his personal knowledge. He can then as a former player have a greater credibility as an influencer to other players and clubs.

You do know that Data is not Information Information is not Knowledge Knowledge is not Wisdom.

Flags are always hard to win . We had a team that was at the cusp of greatness. The squad as always needed some turnover but retained the nucleus to keep it in the premiership window. We lost in straight sets after consistent high level peformances. Maybe opposition had cracked the system , but inaccuracy and atrocious umpiring combined with the incident just destroyed us. We have a squad with mixed talents Goody has tried to introduce a greater depth by having players with a natural replacement. Injuries and Pettys form have created difficulty and opportunity. The system as I have previously stated , (defence and surge) can still work if all players play their role. Its on the coach to get the players motivated again. I think he can do it and the second half offers the opportunity to play different players, different structures, pattern etc but retain the core of the team and hide the successful strategy from our opponents. The potential of our team has not been diminished. I still have faith

Depressing and interesting. I will try and catch the podcast . The first four minutes the red and blue side dominated. Then cute handballs , silly overuse and the usual umpiring failures led to turnovers and loss of structure. As the dockers confidence grew aided again by umpire protection the demons skill levels failed under pressure. Handballs and kicks that fell short or off target seemed to benefit dockers opponents on their own. picking contests wher we were outnumbered seemed to be the desired delivery. There was never any apparent coaching response to the most simple arts of the game. Tag an opponent and man up. good luck with any analysis. I think a kick up the [censored] is needed for some players. Petty is the most interesting dilemma. since rumours of Adelaide millions he has not been the same. Perhaps he is trying to protect his only asset, his body and not playing fearlessly. I did suggest that he should have been told when not traded that he would be released this year only after he had contributed to another flag when his value would be increased. No Flag he would be given away for a lot less. But maybe he was offered an even better deal from Adelaide play poorly, bring down the dees and we will pay you even more. Drop him until; he can contribute sytrongly. Trac and Max hold up even Clarry, while not dominating is still contributing. the roles of all midfielders rely on each component playing their part and that seems to be failing due to almost arragance and no protectiuon from umpires. I have mentioned the defence / surge strategy and still support it but every component must play their part. That seems to be the failure. Our best is still very good but our worst like yesterday and eagles is diabolical.

probably too much data and not all easily accessible. Ill do what I can but will be dependent upon the exhibitors links etc. A lot of his material appeared to come from public spaces, including fishermans bend websites which i have sporadically visited. it was always a bit frustrating as there was never any consideration of a stadium, entertainment, community space and retail centre included anywhere and no indication of approach by MFC.

Sorry 31, I was a bit obscure. the reference to Parkville was for a Melbourne Design Week event "What Killed Fishermans Bend? which was an amazing installation by Paul van Herk and Gabriella Amstalden Martens. In 5 rooms they had displayed an array which would discourage anyone trying to make any headway in this bureaucratic, financial, corporate, political and social space. It was simply amazing the amount of material they had collected and displayed. Far too much for me to consume let alone digest. I have discovered some information I was aware of and some I had only thought were unsubstantiated rumours. I certainly saw much evidence of opportunity still available. It would certainly be enough to encourage a club looking for a quick fix to hope that any alternative option would be an improvement. I do recognise that the time frames identified within this thread do not seem to be quick but in the context of this display it would appear to be. It is unfortunate that MFC were not identified in any of the material or of having any participation. A well presented feasibility may have altered the course of the total project. Just a missed opportunity while we plough towards a Caulfiekd solution. I congratulated the initiator of the project and look forward to further contact. They have a wealth of knowledge and expertise. I do intend to add some enthusiasm to their continuing research. After the disappointment of todays football performance I will increase my interest in a part of the club I can influence. I see the opportunity and if we dont take it, someone else (Collingwood or Carlton maybe even St Kilda) will