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I really hope so. at the moment i really only thinks Grimes has it in him to be an Elite mid fielder (If his body can hold up). I think Trengove would be an Elite team player rather then breaking games open individually. If he has some good boys in there with him he'll be great, if he dosn't then he'll just be good.

You need to calm down buddy!, I post things to just put it out there and throw other things into the mix, it is a forum. You cant expect everyone to just post 'I hope he gets better', because if they did it would be the most boring forum on the net. The delisting suggestion was a hypothetical, if u had your own company would u pay a staff member who couldn't do there job coz they were sick all year around? over a few years? I know i wouldn't, regardless of who they are. I also like to suggest other things rather then our team always having a long injury list to being more then just 'bad luck', its just how I am. If you dont like other peoples opinions then I suggest you not read forums.

I actually think that Carlton was in a similar position to what we are now when they got Judd. Bunch of high draft picks comming into there early 20's. they just had the backbone to do it. I do admit the go home factor helped though whose saying we cant take it one step further. I dont see a Gaff or Caddy being an Elite mid, I see them being 'Pretty good', which is something we already have. Gysberts, Tapscott, Blease, Magner, Viney coming through, Sylvia ect. We dont need more of these. I was really disappointing the Dees didnt throw more into the ring for O'Meara :-(

Remember, we dont need more ................'his pretty good' players. we actually want a star, and that will come at a price, and i would say that price would be more then a pick 12/13 and fringe players. i honestly think that if Collingwood lost Cloke that they would be tempted by a watts + morton + other random crap trade. Especially with Neelds relationship with the place.

crepe paper? and here all along i was thinking he was made of ceramic. No wonder!

Well i did suggest trading a draft pick #1(Watts) and #4 (Morton) with a few years already into them and random other crap (that also could have included the compos) and people still said it wouldn't get it over the line. I would love to see what just a possible pick 12 and 13 would get then.

Perhaps they need to find new specialists

Looks like Mitch Clarke and Bartran also arn't playing. I am suprised Clarke isn't playing as his chemistry with the other forwards would be something I would think needs practice.

settle down fella, and what don't i understand here?

At least he has played a full season before

you dont hear of geelong, hawthorn or richmond ever having as many injuries as we do in any pre season

It also helps pays for Missus Clarks studies

it was a theoretical, and i dont think any team would keep a player whose injured more then 5 years straight

Wonder how many more seasons this guy can miss until the Dees de-list

isnt Missons job to make sure our injury list is reduced? to be honest it dosn't look any shorter then last year...

no suprise here

Any better suggestions? besides waiting and hoping one develops into one? because there's no guarantee there

I would actually do a Watts for Dustin I would trade Watts, Morton and assorted crap for a Dustin Martin in a heartbeat.

Let me requote. Everyone is willing to trade, though nobody is willing to trade anything of value. Right now i would say our teams highest disposable currency is 'potential' if a trade were to take place. Watts is probably the most realistic one that would get it across the line and no-one on this forum seems to know where he should even play. Any position he can currently play, can be covered by someone else. (Clark, Martin, Howe, Jurrah ect) If our team is taking a backbone approach to things now then why would they not have a backbone to get what they need and hold back from trading a player who is yet to reach there potential and does not have a position that he actually owns in the first 18.

No one seems to want to trade for a good mid to fill the obvious gap, nobody wants to wait for one to be drafted and developed into this mid we need. I would not be holding my horses on enough of the current guys to fill this gap to be honest. I think something big needs to be traded to get something big in return. I was suggesting the Watts/Pendlebury trade as it would be along the lines of the Kennedy/Judd trade, which has done wonders for Carlton.

Lets just throw in half a dozen picks from the next draft as well, should do the trick

How about a number 1 for a number 1 Watts for Gibbs? or even Murphy

Would you prefer to keep waiting and hoping a player like Nicholson or Bail becomes Elite, or that we actually do find a position that Watts can excel in? Or get lucky in the draft and wait another 3- 4 years for them to become elite? A lot of teams out there would value potential and make a trade. Unfortunately I don't value potential anymore as I think we have had enough of it over these last few years.

Other clubs would have an answer to 'Where should Watts play' We don't

How is it the worst post possible? A: Watts is still just potential, which nobody on this forum seems to even know where he should play. Forward line dosnt really need him with Clarke, Jurrah, Howe, Green, Sylvia, Tmac ect nor does he really fit into the midfield. B: Everybody knows we need an elite mid fielder and to get one you need currency, in this trade the currency is potential. I would take a guarantee over potential anyday. C: The Dees don't owe him anything, and by holding onto him his currency could go down as years pass. If the dees want something they need to offer something and a hardline approach is needed. Theoretically would you decline a Watts for Pendlebury trade?