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Draft one like Lucas Cook? But wait - he could take 2-4 years? Then why do some posters malign him for not outperforming Jack Darling in his first season? Some people seem to not understand development curves

I don't see it as offering him none. If Green decides to walk, that is his decision to make. To me, offerin him 2 years is highly likely to equate to giving him a spot on the list for at least a year when he is not good enough, or capable of holding down a spot in the 22. In essence, hurting the club just because he has played for us for a decade. Losing Green's experience wouldn't hurt the club. So far it has offered us nothing. In 2013 he would be the epitome of a list clogger. Is his perception is different then I wouldn't be surprised. He also seems to think he's cut out for a media career.

The key is that some think he has just suffered poor form, while others think he is past it. I think he is well past it, and that soon it will be obvious to everyone that he is ready for retirement. It's not simply a form problem - his body and his game style are not up to it anymore.

I thought it through. Like Nasher said, you'd expect it to be put away for him. I think Todd would understand the importance of him being a normal kid up until the time he is drafted, and controlling the money. Most player managers are involved in this side of things too, even for mature players. Colin Sylvia had such an arrangement. Plenty of players have been paid handsomely at Jack's age in the past. Patrick Dangerfield gave a speech as school captain where he joked about making more money than most of the teachers, whilst being a year 12 student. What I hope, is that money is controlled and that the 5 years worth of salary is being frontloaded so that the full amount can be paid out now, while other players are also on smaller contracts and there is room in the cap.

Re: ht Garland not a terrible idea. The captaincy does bring with it an intensified focus on your performance each and every week. I think Garland could cope, but he'd just be temporarily warming the seat. I'm in favour of a temporary shared captaincy, between 3 if possible. Re: Green. It's a results based industry and he is not getting results. He has not had a bad season, it has been a shocking season. And he has lost the ability to have an impact up the ground. Last year he was good because as a HFF he could go upfield and get the footy too. This year he has looked slow and inneffectual in trying to do that. & even when given golden opportunities has struggled to convert. A "1 year for over-30s" policy, is not a policy if you don't stick to it. I agree with it. What if Green has a comparable year in 2012? And then we're stuck with him for 2013? He has "given his all for the club"? Good, so he should be expected to. But he hasn't performed to an adequate level for a year. Does the club owe him a year on the list as persona non grata? Or is (was) he merely repaying the faith the club showed him from an early age? The concept of either party owing another anything is oft misconstrued. None of this is equitable to "worth". If he performs the same in 2012, his worth as a player is little. If it takes a 2 year deal, and a salary increase (!) I'd happily let him walk. I'll show him the door and carry his bags for him myself. Call me fickle, but I demand players perform and won't reward those that don't. Especially those in the twilight of their career. Those that are at the very root of this club's lack of success in recent years. I'd call you a bleeding heart and a sentimentalist. No room for passengers, sorry.

It could be part of an ingenius front-loading contract scheme. I hope.

The 5 years could be anything. I doubt the author of the article even knows - they'd have been told "he's on a 5 year contract" and it goes straight in the article with no further depth of understanding. And as far as I understand, compo picks are not succeptible to F/S bidding. F/S bidding occurs immediately before draft week, so that the picks are allocated and you can't trade out a 1st rounder so that you get to burn a 2nd rounder instead. I don't think compo picks would come into this equation.

No, if he performs in 2012, we sign him for another year. If he doesn't, we don't. Fairly straightforward.

Based on what exactly? His form in 2011 was abominable. What if he plays like that or worse in 2012? Good decision then?

That's mainly because players being "retired" by bigger clubs are often also being shown the door because they have been superceded by younger players, not just for list management reasons. Our players have genuinely felt that they still had something to offer the team that couldn't necessarily be provided by the young developing players, and often with good reason. But in the interests of pure list management, it has been the right decision to let them go. A tough pill to swallow for all involved.

Of course there's been a bloody problem! You don't cut the list back to the bone and rebuild for the fun of it. Rebuilding a list is never a painless process. Of all the noses out of joint, Junior's is the only legitimate one, and those that dealt with it have acknowledge it could have been done better. The rest are bitter because their careers ended before they were ready to move on, in spite of them underperforming. MFC is not a charity. You perform, or someone who will takes your place.

It's a results based industry, he's not getting results and no other team would even bother trying to poach him (which isn't the point anyway). Signing him up to a multi-year deal would be an incredibly poor decision by the club. And finally, if he were to leave, based on 2011 (which is what we should judge him on), we wouldn't lose much. The PR wouldn't be great, but beyond that it would have little impact. He was a good, sometimes great player. He is now a sometimes adequate player. 1 year deals only.

Hell no! Some seriously underestimate the value of these compo picks. Dawes would be handy, but not at any cost.

Bews is the only 1 afaik. Maybe out of the 8, but bottom 4 won't happen in 2 years.

Whereabouts did you find game stats? I've been unable to find them anywhere.

Sorry, not to be a smart arse, but I thought this was patently obvious. The days of selecting the best player as your captain are long gone. If your best leader also happens to be your best player, it's a happy coincidence.

He can do that because it's a VFL match. At AFL level he'd get run down every time.

I certainly was.

Yep, when the end comes, it comes quickly.

2. A more violent Sam Mitchell, maybe?

Rohan Bail fills his role better. We don't need nor want Ray. He's the solution to a problem that doesn't exist at our club right now.

Sounds like Fletcher Roberts will get BOG considering they got the win.

And in the end, probably neither will.

Why settle for dees history? AFL history.

I imagine matters seem all the more desperate for Brad Green since he seems to have had his heart set on a post-playing media career that will never pan out. His performances are best not talked about.