Macca

Yes that's true but the coach cops it 100 times more than the players (on this site) Player personnel wise we are in a real bind. We're paying elite money to a number of players for constant sub-par performances Almost untradeable because of the length of contracts and money involved Either way, it's hard to see a clear pathway ahead. If they stay and continue underperforming then another bog ordinary season is on the cards If we offload what would we get in return? In my view, not much apart from salary dumping I'd call for a full review but we just did that last year

How about the players take responsibility for their own ineptness Oh, and bruise-free footy is back in case you hadn't noticed

Blame the players They are the ones letting the club down

I'm presenting another side of the story instead of joining in on the pile-on So not only can't our players carry out simple instructions but they often forget to turn up. There's no hunger Lord knows Goodwin cops it 100 times more than the players I don't see anyone else here going hard at the players Just attempting to even the score

Well, in my circle, it's the players who are copping it big time. Not the coach This site is often not a good example of the thinking as we tend to see 5 or 6 people shiiitt-canning the coach hundreds and hundreds of times (like parrots) In terms of expectations and the strength of list, this is the worst year I can ever recall (in terms of underachieving) And we can't blame injuries either We've got a list of players who can't carry out simple instructions Lazy & Selfish

You seem convinced that Goodwin is the sole issue when he may not be the issue at all Out players are letting themselves down, the club down and they are letting the coach down For this list of players to have only won 5 games this year is a disgrace As stated 2 months ago on this very thread, do not let the players off the hook

How about that first quarter against GC!

The drop off in membership is on the players,not the coaching Lazy, unaccountable & we choke in front of goal

Money is really tight within the FD spend. There wouldn't be too many clubs not paying the max So the FD tax looms large We're just going to wade things out with Simon (regardless of which way one leans) And there has been a shift (on this thread at least) with the players now under the spotlight as well

I get it and you are right What comes first? The bombing or the non-leading What we do see is both (lack of leading and long bombs) What I can't understand is why? Just change and change now Is it not a professional sport? So frustrating to watch as we are throwing wins away

It's the AFL tax on FD spend, bub Try to keep up!! So if Goodwin was to finish in say, November (unlikely) we'd be up for about $2Million On top of that, if we appointed someone like Longmire, he wouldn't come cheap ... maybe $1.5Million per annum. All up, $3.5Million in 2026 I read somewhere that the minimum for a HC these days is $1Million. Stand corrected if wrong

Yep but I can't see the axe falling anytime this year

In rough terms Ok if he is on $1.2Million per annum (could be more) then that's 1.5 years ($1.8Million) plus $750k tax Equals $2.55Million By the way, the Neeld payout was $1.4Million and coincidentally, we asked for and received a grant of $1.4Million* from the AFL at the same time (cash-flow issue apparently!!) *Might have been $1.3Million

But we can't necessarily contribute the membership drop off back to the coach The team isn't performing and many players are well below their best And there are a number of other factors such as cost I'm not a huge Goodwin fan but the the fall off has been across the board, not on one man's shoulders Others can disagree

Apparently Goodwin is on at least $1Million per year and the contract is rock solid But a 75% tax would go on one of the years remaining in his contract ($750k) if it was an early payout So do the Maths and you have your answer

Ir's fair to say that it has taken the MC too long to implement change with regards to our f50 entries Fair enough in 2022 and maybe 2023 as we were still winning a stack of games. But we did try and change in 2024 but then abandoned I still reckon it's the players who are at fault though. Old dogs, new tricks and all that

Yep, it's like we lack imagination when entering the f50 (or it's bombs away) But is it that complicated? Kicking the ball out in front of a leading forward doesn't seem like too big of an ask Nevertheless, we don't do it Even at suburban level, it's taken for granted that the mids will try and pass the ball to a leading forward Heading into the forward line, we play unintelligent football

We have a significant number of players who have regressed in the last year and a half Are they self-satisfield? Hungry for success? Desperate for success? I look at the list and see lots of talent. Certainly enough talent to be playing finals Just a waste of a season In 2024 we lost Gus, then Petracca & Oliver was average But now all we see is average, right across the playing list How to fix things is the big question as just changing the coach* may not change much at all. As previously stated, if we cull the list then it might be more a case of salary dumping *And changing the coach might cost the club in the region of $2.5Million

I'm a firm believer that Goodwin is advocating change and is trying to implement change But it's fairly obvious (to me, at least) that the players are just not adhering to change The old habits becomes the default mode under pressure I reckon most of the other teams have realised that if they pressure our mids then the ball will be rushed forward to a forward line bereft of talent And just to make sure of it, the opposition teams flood our forward line to make it doubly hard to score (from the inside 50 entries) Not exactly news either ... it was evident in early 2022 that was the M.O. of the opposition teams We rarely see Oliver, Petracca or Viney in free space delivering the ball forward

Moving the ball quickly is pointless unless we can then convert that movement into efficient forward 50 entries We'd probably be high up for inside 50 entries but that's another useless stat as we are terrible at converting those entries Let's face it, we are now a bottom 6 team and it's a long road back. Definitely need change but change isn't easy when the contracts are rock solid Didn't we have a full scale review in the off-season? Need another one

Regardless, Oliver's impact is not worth anywhere near what he is getting paid Let's not forget that he went off the boil in 2023. So it's been over 2 and a half years of B grade (at best) performances So it wasn't just last year and this year To be fair, he's not alone Viney, May, Lever, Petty, Salem, Petracca, JVR, Sparrow, Fritsch and a number of others are below their best As a team, we are miles off it and it's not one particular area. For instance, we choke in front of goal And we are not hard at it either. Fearless football was Goodwin's mantra but we're not seeing it

Well if they aren't counting the long bombs into the forward line then they should be Just another useless stat if all the variables aren't included The eye test tells us we waste the ball heading into the forward line so our offense stinks to high hell

Doesn't Oliver's salary increase pro-rata to the Salary cap increases? By the time we get to 2030 the overall salary cap might hit $18Million up to $20Million The reason I referred to the $1.7Million is because of the numbers that are being thrown around Might be $1.3Million Per annum which is still an almighty sum for a player nowhere near his best If Clarrie could kick to position or at least hit targets by foot then this conversation probably wouldn't exist

To contend again we need our former A Graders to start performing at their best (???) or we need to replace our former A Graders with other A Graders (immediate or long term) So culling the list won't necessarily make us a better team. But right now, we are not progressing in the right direction The other issue is how to offload players on long term deals on big salaries. Easier said than done as none of the big money earners (apart from Gawn) are performing well Could be that we're either stuck with these players or we won't get much in return In my view, it's a player performance issue and less about the coaching The big earners can't change the way they are playing. They get the ball then waste it Apart from anything else, right now, it would cost the club about $2.5Million to offload Goodwin (that would include about $750k with regards to the FD Tax) So we're probably stuck with Goodwin but we're also probably stuck with a bunch of underperforming big earners For instance, what club would be remotely interested in taking up Oliver's salary? Reported to be in the region of $1.7Million per season until the end of 2030 And what would we get back in return? (if anything) A new coach would need at least 2 or 3 years to fix the list (especially if we cull the list)

It's more about more of the same All those hundreds of long bombs forward effectively speeds up our ball movement (e.g. A 50 metre kick takes about 5 seconds where as a string of handpasses or short kicks can take 15 seconds plus) So that stat is not about a change in the way that we play For instance, I'd say our speed of ball movement in 2021 would have been right up there as well In the games this season where we have had less long bombs and more short kicks & handpasses, our ball movement has been effectively slowed down (principally the games against Freo, Lions & Swans) I'm surprised that more people here haven't picked up on the above. It was the first thing I thought of when hearing that we lead the comp in ball movement In other words, nothing to hang our hats on So the issue is what it was at the start of the season ... our experienced players are letting us down with their poor disposal forward As well as that, in a general sense, our forwards are incapable of winning their own ball