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Adding a bit more interest towards having more than 1 best bet this weekend is that we have 3 big race meetings on 2 different days this weekend ... n.b. The Underwood Stakes Day is on the Saturday this year (not the Sunday) Moir Stakes Night (Moonee Valley Friday) Golden Rose Day (Rosehill Saturday) Underwood Stakes Day (Caulfield Saturday) So we could all pick out something on the Friday and something else on the Saturday as JV7 has alluded to. There are 5 black-type races at Moonee Valley with some very good horses running around. I've already got 2 'Value' runners picked out on each day with one that I'm very confident about In other news Behemoth is in the Everest. The slot was secured today ... it's easy to see both Behemoth & Classique Legend flying home but will they be able to catch up with Nature Strip, Gytrash or the boom sprinter Rothfire 7 runners confirmed ... Nature Strip, Gytrash, Classique Legend, Rothfire, Tofane, Farnan & Behemoth The Moir Stakes is only run over 1000m but we might see 1 or 2 of the runners gain a slot in the Everest as there are still 5 vacancies available

@layzie @Gorgoroth @DemonDave @Dr. Gonzo @JV7 @Dappa Dan @titan_uranus @DeeSpencer @Clintosaurus @Dee Zephyr @Go the Biff Spoiler Alert: Don't read on if you don't yet know the result of today's game between the Saints & the Raiders. Leaderboard: Tipping Comp 2 - Gorgoroth, Go the Biff, Clintosaurus, DeeSpencer, titan_uranus 0 - The Usual Suspects By the way, any proof-reading of the results would be much appreciated Some excellent match-ups this week ... Rams @ Bills, Dallas @ Seattle, Packers @ Saints, Chiefs @ Ravens & the games involving the Pats & Tampa will be interesting all season with Cam Newton and Brady on show n.b. Houston should be +5.5 not -5.5 ... an obvious typo

It's a good race JV ... a few chances too. 'Toyetic' will probably get into the finish as well as your choice (The Brumby) I prefer it when Oliver is on a swooper but the map has 'Embolism' on the pace. I reckon it might be midfield though (with cover) I'm banking on Oliver and at 6.50, it's slightly overs. Very impressive win at it's only start at Geelong ... in good time too. Rather than a taking out a place bet or an exotic with any of the 3 aforementioned, I might take out a 2 or 3 pick 'Place' double/treble with Embolism & 1 or 2 others later in the day. Promises to be a good day's racing at HQ. Footnote: Got Oliver & J-Mac on a few value runners as well in 3 other races but I'll keep them under my hat!

The only issue is that we'd then have a possible 10 choices. And that involves 10 separate races. 12 if Rolling fog is here. And then there's Biff's 'Roughie' We may not have many races left to bet on personally! And we don't want to be betting against each other ... not publicly at least I'd leave it at 1 pick each but as the day progresses there's nothing wrong with throwing out a few spec choices. As we've been doing on recent Saturday's. By then most have put their bets on and we're in chew-fhe-fat mode. Best Bet or Best Value? Either/Or. Again, we don't want to over do it and if 6 or 7 different people are involved, one choice is enough in my view. Good suggestion though and it's only my opinion. I'll go with the majority view I reckon we could each have another tip on a Wednesday though. Many of the midweeks step up from here on in as is the case tomorrow with the Derby Trial & Oaks Trial at Flemington. Country Cup days etc. You got anything for us tomorrow JV?

I started doing 2 leg multi's when there were just the 3 here (with mixed results) Got a few collects but you need 2 horses to win and you still may only get 6-1 or thereabouts Where as with a value runner it's just the 1 straight out bet. It's just an observation of the history here. People can obviously do whatever they like but I'd like to think that all of us could entertain the thought of backing another person's best bet. Does that happen? I don't reckon it does very often but what happens if someone puts up a 7-1 chance and it wins. You'd hate to miss out with those odds. I'm going down the Value best bet path for the Spring but I'm still going to be looking for the class runner (at each-way odds) And the place dividend with a value runner could be best used in a 2 or 3 pick multi. Rather than backing the horse for the win ,& the place. But as previously stated, a lot of the betting agencies offer money back if your horse runs 2nd or 3rd. In that instance, there's no need to put a place bet on

Further to the above There is nothing to stop people putting 2 of the value choices together for a decent paying double. Even 3 if you're confident But the 5 or 6 best bets where the choices are more often than not quite short doesn't work. Again, a value runner will often be paying $2.00 - $3.00 for the place where you've got 3 chances of saluting rather than just 1 chance (in a multi) But the bottom line is that a value runner can be bet on outright. For a decent return. That's not to say that the shorties can't win. Of course they can. But what is their value in this place? I'll say it again, I've probably got 20 or 25 short priced favourites home with my best bets but not once has anyone ever acknowledged that they've won money from any of those tips. And I am certainly not advocating that we can the idea. Just change it up I say Thoughts?

The Best Bet concept needs a do-over as well For 3 years all these short-priced picks have served no purpose other than to contribute to a large multi (which is almost certainly never going to salute) The shorties don't suit all members of the team. Value runners - different story. If people here have a need to put on a large multi they could use the value choices with the place dividend as the conduit In 3 years I have landed plenty of short priced winners but not once has anyone ever commented that my pick won them any money It has never happened. So my choice is redundant in advance. So why should I waste my time? Same outcome applies to all others with their short-priced best bet. In 3 years we have landed a 3 pick multi (when there were only 3 of us) twice. That's a poor strike rate. e.g. did anyone (other than JV) win any money from JV's tip (Probabeel) last weekend? So I strongly favour changing things up so we put up some value runners. Paying at least $5 is my proposal. Last week DZ & Gorg put up +$5 chances and it was a step in the right direction. Most here are small time punters so asking people to put down a bet of $20 or $30 is asking a bit too much in my view. Lets fix it. Thoughts?

Wednesday Smokey Flemington Race 3 No.3 Embolism E\W 6.50 1.90

I reckon we have a couple of weeks off so everyone can cool down. Right now, there's probably 1 or 2 who won't want to contribute. Revisit latet. Maybe But for what it's worth, I'm in your camp.

Might have a tip for Wednesday ... stay tuned!

You backing away from these comments DZ? Doesn't bother me but again, unless we're all on the same page, we're just wasting our own time and everyone else's time. Anyway, I'm $370 in front with one go at it. A tiny bit of creative thinking only by the way.

Well it looks like Wadda is on his own organising his 10 pick exotic Because I don't intend to run anything whilst there's an air of discontent Good luck Wadda ... you going to draw the names out of a hat? You might as well.

Not an original? There's been just the 3 of us here primarily since the Spring of 2017. Before that there was a total of 10 posts. How are you not an original? But you can't have it both ways DZ ... go one way or the other and live with your decision. I reckon you and Wadda should run with your 9 or 10 pick exotic. If it doesn't work who cares. But it's your's & Wadda's idea so you're going to have to moderate it. Every week. But I can't see how it can work as you may as well just consult the form guide and cross out 3 or 4 and go with the rest. There will be a lack of expertise attached. The whole thing is now quite ridiculous I was smart enough to take out a trifecta with the picks over the weekend. So what? Are people envious? If so, I couldn't GAF. Was I compelled to take out a F4 and that's it? Have the loonie left infiltrated the thread? Or perhaps the alt-right. Now you and Wadda want to pick more than half the runners or more. How are posters here supposed to decipher all the choices? Are the 9 or 10 choices all winning chances? Do we box 10 and therefore pick up .001 percent of the dividend? Happy days! But go for it. I'll be intrigued to see the outcome. I just hope I'm not prompted every day for another tip. "We need another tip" FMD. Can one do 2 or 3 picks at once to get it all out of the way? How about my 3 lucky numbers, will that do? 2, 7, 11 Must remind myself to box those 3 in the next chosen team exotic event (if it ever happens)

Boom sprinter 'Anders' is out of the Moir Stakes (Friday) due to a temperature. Was listed at $2,50 in the early markets

Considering that you and Wadda make up 2 of the 3 originals on this thread I reckon we should go with the extra picks as you've suggested. So 8? 9? Hey, go with a dozen if you prefer. I'm really not all that fussed. But if it gets too cumbersome don't be blaming me. You and Wadda can moderate the whole thing because I'm not at all interested in moderating up to 9 or 10 picks. Too much time involved and I haven't got the time. Especially on a Saturday and what you're suggesting is almost certainly going to run into Saturday So pick the race, organise everyone and go to it. Good luck DZ.

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I threw out Behemoth as the default pick but did put it to posters if they had any objections No one said anything so it stayed on top. With these sorts of things all the posts need to be read carefully by all of us. Myself inncluded. We tried this a couple of years ago (5 picks for a trifecta) but it didn't take off ... even though we won first time up. But there were only 3 regular posters back then so no surprise. Back then when we put our tips up all of us were well aware of the standout horse and I'm sure none of us wanted to leave it out. But by having a default choice that thinking is done for us. And it won't be my choice, it will be the choice. The obvious choice. We do that or run the risk of leaving out the standout choice. Bottom line is that we're all mug punters. Most gamblers prefer to fly solo because that's our make up. So this is a departure ... it may or may not work but it's worth a try.

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Follow the races quite closely Gorg but I'm still a complete novice. haha Bet small to win reasonable amounts. Try to get about 7-1 up to 9-1 in any sort of bet. I'm a small-time percentage punter. Ended up in front at Sha Tin today but I got a late double at 7-1 thanks to Moreira (race 8 & race 10) He rode 6 winners today and I got some sort of collect on all of his winners. Mind you, he's often on the best horse in the race. My adage ... any time you end up in front at the end of the day is a win. I follow J-Mac's mounts on a Wednesday up in Sydney. Again, more of a percentage play with a few small bets. Works the same as Moreira (or Purton) All 3 get the best mounts but they're all top rate jockeys. The only time I try to win big is with a big multi using our tips. A coffee bet only though. And the exotics in a big race or 2 on the weekend ... using our combined tips if possible.

I agree, being creative with the 6 picks to work with is the key. A few here are kicking themselves that they didn't take the trifecta but I did say I was going down that path. I didn't go down the multiple parh but if I did I would have included Tagaloa & Banquo. The one we missed (Archenar Star) had the run of the race and did no work. But hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it Gorg?

7 races down at Sha Tin and Moreira has already ridden 4 winners. He's got 3 very winnable chances in the final 3 races as well. Edit: 5 from 8 now for the little master.

Here are the odds for the 3 big group 1's next week. From a personal point of view I'll be having an exotic bet or 3 on all 3 of the races regardless of which race we decide upon (for the group exotic) F4, Trifecta or even an Exacta. Each to their own. So I'm not fussed on which race we pick. There are other Group races that might appeal as well so if you see a good betting race, let everyone here know. It's got to be a decent race though, Benchmark races are fraught with danger unless you've got a tip. Money for jam for the bookies. Whether we have a default pick is debatable as well (although not including Behemoth yesterday would have been problematic) ... having a default pick allows everyone else a clear pick so if there is a standout, I'm in favour of including that horse automatically as we'll almost certainly end up including it anyway For instance, do we want to leave 'Russian Camelot' out of the Underwood, 'Anders' (if it runs) out of the Moir or 'Rothfire' out of the Golden Rose? e.g. for 2 years in a row now (the Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes) the clear favourite has won and the exotics have all payed exceptionally well n.b. the Underwood Stakes is on Sunday next weekend as it's traditionally the GF weekend As always, any feedback is most welcome

I don't have a problem with what you are suggesting but you don't want to make it too difficult to manage. For instance, which horses do we have to win or finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Who has the extra choices? Who finalises the order? I certainly wasn't moving any goalposts either. I've said all along that people can use the choices as they see fit. As I chose to do by not only having a F4 on the race but a trifecta as well. Paid off too. Create thinking won me a tidy sum As for the choices, I deliberately left myself out last week so everyone else could have a go. As it was, there was a slot available at the end but there may not have been. You make it more complicated and if that doesn't work then what? What's the fall back position? And you can't force people to put on a F4. What if they don't like the look of the choices? As far as I'm concerned people can do whatever they like with the choices. Contributing to the team exotic and then not having a bet on the race at all is an option too. For instance, I'd welcome Go the Biff's input even though he doesn't bet at all. Knows his horses that bloke. I've got a mate who is the same ... follows the horses and knows more that I do but he doesn't gamble.

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