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Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you've got to say. T-Mac could have been retained as the sub for a bit of versatility They are probably trying to teach Windsor to be accountable using him off HB but we lost his pace and burst as a consequence Our offense in general has been well talked about but the fact that it's still a conversation is frustrating. We should have moved on from the long bombs long ago. We're still stuck in amateur hour Not sure on JVR but he's got some raw talent that might come to fruition

Yeah, I see the assistants as expendable and it's nothing personal either. Zero sentiment We need change in the FD and it won't be Goodwin* gone anytime before 6 or 8 games into next season (at a minimum) That might change if we lose all our remaining games and cop 4 or 5 thumpings ... but we've got enough talent to ensure that that won't happen. At a guess I reckon we'll finish on about 8 wins The other real talking point we'll be with regards to the trade table. I see it going 3 possible ways 1 - We back in the list to somehow turn things around (possibly) 2 - A reasonable amount of movement with 1 or 2 'name' players heading elsewhere (probably) 3 - A lot of movement where we end up revamping or revitalising the list. A domino effect once 1 or 2 players get traded (a possibility that I quite like) *Goodwin's contract keeps him at the Demons into next season

Yep 2022 was the one that got away I think the other issue with regards to the new game style that we're trying to employ and what we've seen elsewhere, is it often requires an offense-minded coach And Goodwin's fortè is the defence and all-over defence. I don't rate him on offense But given that his contract keeps Goodwin employed at the MFC into next season, he'll need better assistants if we are to play finals next season On the evidence we've seen so far this season, our offense stinks So Chaplin & Jones should come under scrutiny And we'll need to be proactive in the off-season with regards to the list The current squad has quite a few holes in it and we've got too many set-in-their-ways types So we've gone from all excited for a bounce-back season (this year) to fingers crossed on the road back to relevancy

We stuffed up in 2022 and ran out of legs but we still won 16 games in the H&A Cruelled by injury going into the 2023 finals series. Lost Petty, Melk with T-Mac & Fritsch on one leg. Then lost Gus & JVR on top of that ... 2023 is in the forgive-file in my view Last year we started losing our way and this year we look lost But again, we embarked on a new game style from early in 2024 and to my eyes, there's been a lack of a buy-in by the senior players As for Goodwin, because of his contract, he'll coach into next season so you may as well keep your powder dry until then The focus is on Carlton & Voss where as we're just not the story

Yep, that's why we needed Petracca, Oliver & Viney to buy into the new game plan but on the evidence we've seen, none of the 3 have a want to hit up targets in the F50 What accentuates the issue is we don't have natural forwards who can win their own ball, get to the right positions or lead properly

So we've got forwards who won't lead and mids who bomb away yet this is the fault of the coach? It's 100% on the players and that's why players such as long-bomb-Clarrie sat on the pine early in the season Move long-bomb-Petracca forward so he becomes a target and then move long-bomb-Viney forward as well Solves one problem but creates another ... our new look midfield needs many more games under their belts so as to become a potent force So Goodwin has been pro-active with the new game plan but it needs time and more importantly, a buy-in from all and sundry

"Hey fellas, can you hit up a target in the forward line and can the forwards get on your bikes and present to the ball carrier" It's that simple, it really is. It's not rocket science, just basic footy 101 Yet our players are incapable of carrying out a simple instruction that could be used for the under 12's We've got many footballers who are deficient in footy IQ

Well you certainly didn't blame Bailey Nor did I but I certainly did blame the players (more so for their lack of talent) Little did we know that the thumpings would continue into 2012 & 2013 So we've got plenty of talent now but the players just can't adapt to a new style But you never know, by the end of year the penny might drop for the players Share the ball instead of long bombs doesn't seem to be too big of an ask. But for our players, it is seemingly too much of an ask ... except for about 4 or 5 games this season when the new plan was enacted So we know the players are capable otherwise we don't beat Brisbane (up there) or run the Pies close

You need to go a lot harder on the players as a whole. By constantly lambasting Goodwin, you make it look like he's responsible for all the players failings Truth is that any player is responsible for their own performances The coach can only do so much. We've got any number of players who can't carry out simple instructions And then people like you let them off the hook by blaming the coach First quarter against the GC says it all. Disinterested players who lack motivation. Not many self-starters amongst the playing group. Lazy & unaccountable

Goodwin is on record in the pursuit of a new game plan started in early 2024 Players couldn't adjust so we went back to the old ways before attempting the same game plan from the start of this season Again, the players couldn't adjust so we are where we are as a result Goodwin must have known the change in game plan was risky but he took that risk regardless. Should be applauded for doing so, not lambasted As for the players, many of them lack footy IQ and there lies the problem

You'll never get it Wyl Depending on who is the coach you change your mind about the players efforts on a day to day basis You even blamed Goodwin when Clarrie went off the rails. Astonishing World Hunger? On Goodwin?

Bailey lost a lot and Goodwin has won a lot of games? (including a flag) There's a big 'like' factor in sport and I reckon Goodwin's deadpan demeaner isn't well liked Where as Bailey seemed to be well liked You went to town on the players over 186 yet when the players let themselves down badly against North you blamed Goodwin Your argument lacks consistency

Not much by the looks of things From memory it looked like we were tracking well but there was something minor about Goodwin needing to be a bit less serious (thus, the lovey dovey stuff??) Oddly enough, many here want Goodwin to be a lot more serious (with the players) By the way, if it's a player and coaching issue then those only taking sides against Goodwin need to talk about the players not performing up to expectations as well I've highlighted the player's side of things but I'm not a huge Goodwin fan as I reckon he struggles with the offense in footy But he's been excellent on the defensive side of things and that can't be put aside If Goodwin coaches into next season he'll need better assistants

No, I'm just evening the score as people like you keep protecting the players as if they can do no nothing wrong In fact, it's quite amazing how much stock is placed on the coach Strange how we never blamed RDB or Roos when they kept losing games Even Neeld copped very little (as compared to Goodwin)

In my world it's incumbent on the players to get the best out of themselves That's not happening and the coach cannot hold their hands During the Bailey years you constantly blamed the players. Personalities? Why the switcheroo?

Because we're obliged to field a team? He perhaps could have dropped a few more players but you can't blame him for sticking with players who delivered the ultimate prize And let's face it, the would-be replacement players at Casey aren't exactly banging down the door A list of good experienced players with a number of added on talented youngsters suddenly looks like a pipe-dream We've seen some fairly ordinary lists over the years (especially in the 70's and most of the 80's) but the current list has loads of talent Underperforming talent

Is there a possibility that the players are at fault in many instances? Any player weakness can't just be the fault of the coach Oliver going off the rails is an Oliver issue. Fritsch being disinterested is a Fritsch issue. JVR not leading or attempting to mark with one arm up is a JVR issue Petracca using the media to disrespect his own club is a Petracca issue ... etc etc Goodwin can't hold their hands nor can he look for and deliver to a target in the forward line. He's just the coach As for kicking at goal, that's on the players as well as he can't kick it for them Forwards not leading or making position? Well he's dropped JVR (twice) and Fritsch to make a statement My reckoning is that the players are self-satisfied and lack hunger Turn the list over as sacking the coach right now or in the next 12 Months is financially problematic Leave the list as it is and expect the same sort of results next season

Yes that's true but the coach cops it 100 times more than the players (on this site) Player personnel wise we are in a real bind. We're paying elite money to a number of players for constant sub-par performances Almost untradeable because of the length of contracts and money involved Either way, it's hard to see a clear pathway ahead. If they stay and continue underperforming then another bog ordinary season is on the cards If we offload what would we get in return? In my view, not much apart from salary dumping I'd call for a full review but we just did that last year

How about the players take responsibility for their own ineptness Oh, and bruise-free footy is back in case you hadn't noticed

Blame the players They are the ones letting the club down

I'm presenting another side of the story instead of joining in on the pile-on So not only can't our players carry out simple instructions but they often forget to turn up. There's no hunger Lord knows Goodwin cops it 100 times more than the players I don't see anyone else here going hard at the players Just attempting to even the score

Well, in my circle, it's the players who are copping it big time. Not the coach This site is often not a good example of the thinking as we tend to see 5 or 6 people shiiitt-canning the coach hundreds and hundreds of times (like parrots) In terms of expectations and the strength of list, this is the worst year I can ever recall (in terms of underachieving) And we can't blame injuries either We've got a list of players who can't carry out simple instructions Lazy & Selfish

You seem convinced that Goodwin is the sole issue when he may not be the issue at all Out players are letting themselves down, the club down and they are letting the coach down For this list of players to have only won 5 games this year is a disgrace As stated 2 months ago on this very thread, do not let the players off the hook

How about that first quarter against GC!

The drop off in membership is on the players,not the coaching Lazy, unaccountable & we choke in front of goal