Jaded No More

You know that as fact do you?

It literally says it’s got nothing to do with it! He just had a baby. He and his wife are both from SA. It’s probably a genuine request to be closer to family. Not everything is a [censored] conspiracy against the club for goodness sake!

It's all about lifestyle, especially for younger players. You will never find a training location that will suit absolutely everyone, unless you are Geelong and all your players live in the same concentrated area. You will always have players who choose to live all over Melbourne, which is vast and full of gridlock traffic. Caulfield is not going to be any closer for Max Gawn, or Caleb Windsor (Lysterfield to Casey would be way quicker than Lysterfield to Caulfield), or Christian Petracca than AAMI is, but Caulfield is a stones throw away from like 10 cafes, and Gawny's favourite bakery. Whereas at Casey you need to get in the car and drive a good 15 minutes down to where I live which has a high street full of great cafes and restaurants.

May also lives down there and we have a number of players who are in the south east which would see them drive against traffic to Casey. By the way the drive from Bayside would take the same time if you get on the Peninsula Link. A lot less traffic. My best guess is that Casey fields is not surrounded by much and the players would rather have somewhere to go between or after training/meetings for a coffee etc.

I find it funny that so many of our players live on the Mornington Peninsula but hate driving to Casey. It’s a far easier drive from there to Casey than it is to AAMI.

Well you got your wish. Pert with what I think is a pretty good statement. Not sugar coating the disappointing season, clear that we are already reviewing what went wrong, and emphatic that Trac is going nowhere. Can't ask for much more right now. Of course the proof is always in the pudding.

We had an elimination final to prepare for. What would the board being vocal about that incident achieve? Certainly wouldn’t have changed the outcome.

Are you talking about the Waterman who just signed a new deal with West Coast? 🤪

It's completely fair to question the board, who has failed to deliver us a home base, a platform on which they were elected and have been very vocal on. Progress has been made, but it seems slow. I also understand that sometimes fans just want to hear from the 'leader' and be reassured, but frankly there is nothing Roffey could come out and say that would truly ease the angst amongst the supporter base. If she says anything, you'd have half the supporters saying she's just paying lip service, and the other half saying she should concentrate on running the club not making statements. It is a no win scenario. I do think that Pert and Richardson could certainly do some media in relation to our on field performance and what the focus is going to be heading into 2025. Whereas I prefer the board deal with board matters such as a home base, not football matters like our game plan or list management.

I hear Petracca might be on the market

That hit on May is one he takes 90 times a game. Imagine we dragged him off every time he got tackled. He barely flinched. He got up rubbing his rib cage. Did anyone watching this game live thought he was injured in that incident? I don’t think he did either. The fact we took him off and subbed him out, when he was walking around in only mild discomfort, speaks to the fact that we have changed our management and were taking no risks Do we remind Kane about how Port handled their captain’s hamstring this season?

My understanding is that LJ indicated that he was happy and keen to stay after the 2021 flag. And in fact up until midway thru 2022 he never said he wanted out. Hindsight is a wonderful thing tho. Especially when it comes to trading and drafting.

Jackson refused to deal with West Coast, so it’s a moot point. As for Meek it’s possible that they said it’s Meek and a second rounder and we decided that a first round pick was better than Meek. Which it is. They were never trading Treacy. It’s like if they came to us and said here’s Brayshaw but we want JVR. You’d tell them to go take a long walk off a short pier. Understand your frustration but just look at Pies overpaying for Shultz and that’ll make you feel really good 😂

How do you know that we didn’t and Freo didn’t tell us to go away? At the end of the day Jackson was uncontracted, so we didn’t have a lot of leverage. We got maximum draft capital in return. It’s the best we could have hoped for, and at the very least him leaving landed us Windsor, who I believe will be a better long term player. Plus perhaps Jefferson will end up as good as Treacy… or Buddy Franklin according to some posters on here 😂

Please take your facts and leave

I think we should rest him and send him off for surgery on his hand. I guess the club has different considerations regarding his mental well being and how connected that is to his ability to play each week. If it was my call he’d be off to get his hand fixed today, and given an early return date to pre season training with clear fitness markers that he has to hit (skin folds, kms run, etc).

I too sit right near the bench. Not only was Oliver dripping snot as he was coming to the bench (it was quite the sight 🤮), in the first quarter he was on hands and knees on the field, with our team doctor, sticking his fingers down his throat in an effort to make himself throw up as he was presumably unwell. As someone with a serious phobia of vomiting, that nearly ended my 25 year stint at the football 😂 JVR also looked absolutely cooked every time he ran to the bench. It was like the jogging to the bench was going to end him. COME AT ME FACE PALMERS 💪🏻

My apologies your royal highness 🙄

Are those 8 blokes aware that he's coming back from a serious injury and has had no pre-season? He might be just as poor playing defensively if he's struggling with his foot, except playing forward he is less costly when he's out of form than playing as a defender. Besides if those 8 fans came on Saturday night, they would have seen Petty play really well and take some very good marks playing up forward. You summed it up when you said our fan base is fickle. That's all there is to it, they pick and choose when to show up based solely on ladder position.

I think that he's held up his end of the signed contract for a very long time, winning 4 B&Fs (including in our premiership year), 3 AAs and 2 Coaches Awards. One bad season doesn't define someone's career, especially someone who has achieved so much already. He has to play a lot better next season, and if he doesn't, I am sure discussions will be had. But throwing away one of the best players to ever pull on the red and blue because of one bad season, where there are legitimate reasons for his output, is not only bad form it's bad culture. Also to say he is not invested is very unfair. You have no idea what he was/is going through off the field. He has battled so many personal demons, and a terrible hand injury that he still needs fixing. Someone who isn't invested is not putting in the hard yards to get themselves mentally fit to play like Clarry has. I think he would be feeling far more frustrated than any of us by his form. Do you think he goes home and is happy that he can't perform to the level he's used to? But for someone many inside the club thought would struggle to play at all this year, he's played all but one game and that is a massive credit to the hard work he has done off field on himself.

It is their right of course, but it's also a ridiculous reason not to attend a game. Are people refusing to go because Rivers is playing midfield? Or because TMac is back in defense? I understand that sometimes we don't play the most exciting brand of footy, but if we were playing the exact same way and winning and contesting for a flag this year, we would get the crowd numbers. The rest are just excuses. Our fans stop turning up when we stop winning. It's never been any different.

I would love a medal, for continuously trying to make sense of the need for posters to take every single thing that someone else says that they disagree with out of context. You wrongly noted we only missed 2 of our best 22 against Port, and I corrected you and said we also missed May (who I assume you agree is a best 22 player). You then went on and on because another posted noted that we were 'severely undermanned', not me mind you, another poster. So I just wanted to point out, that had you actually read this thread from the start, you'd know that straight after the game the ONLY comment I made was about our skills and decision making costing us the game. I never mentioned injuries. All I wanted to do was point out that you forgot to mention May in your list of outs. I even made a joke about him not being great, you know, to lighten the mood. Demonland is such a miserable place when we are losing, not because people are rightly frustrated and want to express their views, but because everyone who wants to be a sad sack gets so overly sensitive when someone else tries to refute their opinion, or show them the positives.

No it’s not, it’s just missing key players. I did note well before you did, in this very thread, that our skills and decision making are not good and were why we lost. Just thought I’d remind you that Trac and Windsor are not the only best 22 players we missing yesterday

Well when two of those players happen to be one of the best players in the game and one of the best defenders in the game, it’s quite something. Most teams missing their FB and number one player would struggle. Like if Port didn’t have Butters yesterday or Aliir Aliir I reckon we win.