Very Jaded

If we don’t resign him now, we risk being held over a barrel later. Simple. And Viney and Kosi are not on the same planet I’d have let Viney walk, but Kosi is a generational talent who was in hot demand and a major flight risk If he agrees to a long term deal you RUN to get it done. And let’s not pretend like any other club in our position wouldn’t do the same Saints would love to have locked up NWM for that long.

Because it’s the Pies we should say absolutely not Stuff them and the toothless horse they rode in on

I specifically asked you about contracted players so don’t change the narrative to suit your endless hatred of our club and then ask me to accept it And you can believe me or not I couldn’t give a stuff Jesus why do I bother with you. I should know better. Enjoy piling [censored] on our club

So you’d rather we lost him to Freo. Ok cool This is what the market demands. Jesus do people think our club operates in a vacuum?

I never said he’s done a great job, but you’re going on about him folding at trades when there is no proof of that. I can tell you categorically that the Viney and Gawn extensions came from the board in a time when we needed good news and to manage optics. It was not Lamb’s decision alone. And these list cloggers you speak of cost us genuinely nothing. When he got May Lever and Langdon he was ace, and now he’s not? And where was the bitchin and moaning when Lamb managed to snag Kosi for 9 years when every man and his dog thought he was gone?!

He's OOC at the Saints is he not? Take pick 89 or take a hike Saints. We all know you have bigger bags of cash to fry.

We got Grundy for what we traded him for. Very Little. We lost nothing in that trade, because we paid nothing in that trade. Jackson was OUT OF GODDAMN CONTRACT JJ was a bit player who struggled to get a game in our midfield, and was also OOC as was Bedford, who was offered a very good deal by us but chose to leave. Same goes for McVee. ANB was a trade done in good faith to enable a club champion to get back for pressing family reasons that most on here don't know about We did not want to lose Jackson, and these long term deals everyone has a sook about, is exactly why we do them, so that we have a leg up in negotiations. If Trac was currently OOC he'd walk and we'd get a compo pick back. How is that a better option?

Jackson was out of contract mate. You have no leg to stand on when a guy is not contracted. So can you please again talk to me about a CONTRACTED star player that we traded for unders. And ffs enough with the McAdams trade. He was a missing piece, and he unfortunately didn't work out. A second round pick is literally a packet of chips these days, when bloody Flanders is getting you pick 7! Just let it go.

Good on Charlie Wishing him all the success at North

Can you name the last big name contracted player we traded out for unders?

Do you know what Tim Lamb used to do in a past life? I don't think he takes these journalists seriously. He couldn't give a stuff about them.

As my post above re: Merrett, people are undervaluing Trac because we are all a bit over him and his drama. But he is still an incredibly damaging player, 2nd in our B&F, scored 10 Brownlow votes, can play multiple roles, and with an extra pre season post injury he will be back to his peak fitness no doubt. He is also a total professional, and would be a fantastic asset to a young team who is lacking experience and need a big game player, which Trac is. Hardwick is not at the Suns for a long time, he's there for a good time. Like Lyon he is restless. He wants to win a flag, and he wants it now. They could definitely win it based on just natural development of their players, including Humphrey, but that's a risk you are taking while other clubs around you also develop and get stronger. Or, you can inject a sure thing into your team now. This opportunity to land a Trac, a Merrett or a Butters is very very rare. Waste it at your own risk. Also where we are is not where GC are. We would take Humphrey over Trac, because we are unlikely to win a flag in the next couple of years. We want to build the list now around the likes of Kosi, Disco and Langford. GC have young talent coming into their club like it's going out of style. They will never have shortage of quality players.

People are seriously undervaluing Merrett You can not like what he's done recently, but he's a gun, a 6 time B&F winner, and he makes Hawthorn immediately better and puts them straight in line for a flag. Humphrey having the same immediate impact as Merrett is unlikely. Sure he is a future investment, but Hawks are in a win now mode. They need to win one before Gunston retires. They looked into Trac because this is where they are at with their list.

You let him go now, because in 3 years when he's OOC you are never getting Petracca in return for him The decision is simple, what is more valuable to Dimma, Trac and winning a flag now, or Humphrey potentially staying into the future.

Petracca right now

Indeed. But the puppet masters are far from it.

We need to make him want to move badly by throwing him so much money he can’t refuse it This better be Tim Lamb right now

It’s very obvious that unless Humphrey forces their hand, as Trac has ours, this deal won’t move Humphrey has to put his big boy pants on and speak up. Otherwise they’ll continue to say no way.

If this club lets a newbie franchise or Trac bend them over, we will lose whatever shred of credibility we have left in this competition and it’ll go down like sour milk for the small stronghold of remaining loyal members. Myself included. Let’s see how this pans out.

Who blinks first

No he isn’t when they’re in a win now mode. Merrett also brings leadership.

Hawks and Pies don't have a trade to make that would satisfy the Suns, so that's irrelevant. Here is the thing tho, if a Victorian kid is chatting to 3 Melbourne clubs with years remaining on his contract, then the reality is that he's a flight risk. GC must know that one day he will want to move on, and when he's OOC and asks to move, they'll get 5 cents in the dollar for him. Or, they can bite the bullet now and get something very valuable for him.

You are a pitiful human if you think Clarry doesn't deserve our love. Either that, or you have no clue whatsoever what he's been through, which is a hell of a lot more than Trac has. But by all means, keep telling us how we deserve to hate a guy who won 4 B&Fs, 2 Coaches Awards and has never, not once, said a bad word about our club, nor tried blowing up the joint so we would trade him.

Perhaps, but this is a high profile get for them. Some are comparing it to Gary Ablett Jnr (laughable I know). This is about increasing their marketability and growing their club in the northern markets. That's something which is hard to do without big name players or big time success. Trac could bring both.

In principle I agree, but Trac is almost 30 and has shown a bit of shyness around body contact since his injury. A lot depends on how much AFL House wants Trac at the Suns. If they are desperate for this move to occur, as the Suns need a 'big win', then they might give Dimma a call and tell him it's time to get off his high horse and make it happen. Unfortunately we couldn't have picked a worse coach to deal with. He hates Melbourne, and he is a pr!(k!