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19 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

I might be alone but I have doubts on Phillippou. I don't trust rangy draft picks and have seen plenty fail to make the step up. Similiar to key forwards who are drafted in the top 10, it's hard to tell whether their height/reach physical development is their advantage over their peers (Weideman, Schache, many others), or whether it's actually football ability. Bontempelli the most obvious outlier that I can remember - it wasn't until he was in the system that he turned into an absolute unit and competitive beast. 

I think we're a young dynamic mid short from a list perspective and would be looking at Hollands / Brayden George etc instead 

Seems common knowledge that Pickett is basically gone for 2024 already, which is incredibly depressing 

Josh Kennedy, Patrick Cripps and Jake Stringer says hi.

Ollie Holland's has put himself in the frame to be picked in the first 10 if he slips to 13 and Mattaes Phillipou is still there we may have a dilemma on our hands but I would pick Mattaes.

14 hours ago, monoccular said:

A John Landy (or was it Herb Elliot) moment. 

Yes it was John Landy except Landy won the race not come as a also ran.

Pick 13 usually is a quality player who has slipped or has had a long term injury and clubs want players who will play right away not 12 months down the track al la Kemp of Carlton.

Since we have a good list with cover in most positions we can afford this luxury.

He is rookie and not every pick makes it but because he is a WA boy, he would make the other WA boys feel more at home.

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Pick 14 - Melbourne: Mattaes Phillipou

Position: Midfielder/Forward
Height: 192cm
Weight: 83kg
Clubs: PHOS/Henly HS, Woodville-West Torrens

A tantalising prospect to say the least, with Phillipou looking to rival the likes of Sheezel as one of the most mercurial players in his class.

The leading South Australian for 2022, Phillipou frames as a bullish midfield-forward option that can win his own ball and impact the scoreboard.

The Demons are likely to be tempted by the Isaac Heeney-like talent, especially considering their own attacking livewire in Kysaiah Pickett is seen as no certainty to remain in red and blue past 2023.

Standing at 192cm tall, it's Phillipou's stunning ground-ball ability that will catch opponents by surprise, while the teenager is also a fierce competitor in the air.

This is one area where we have little to no cover the bigger midfielder in the 192+ range since Clayton is the tallest at 187cm and resting on the HF line they create matchup problems for the opposition where small HB get out marked and tall HB don't have the agility.

A solid year he is now a Casey Premiership player for life.

Cal Twomey gets it right because he has got inside information from some clubs and distributes the information on the AFL web site the ones he gets wrong are clubs where they keep their picks close to the chest upseting the draft order.

The MFC has basically fallen for the trap by telegraphing their first pick in 2019 being Holmes and Geelong swapped picks on the day, they should have lied or kept it a secret but loose lips sink ships.

If I was Taylor I would give out wrong information to all concerned and then did what is best for the club.

Unfortunately when a player is uncontracted then the club does not have the upper hand and has to accept less than they want for players and move on with other trades.

Not many list managers have skills to do deals fast so they can get other deals done where the outcome is better.

We did well with Brodie Grundy, Lachie Hunter and Josh Schache who are not out of their best window.

In the end Pick 13 and 37 is good result for the club.

Every one has lauded Geelong for getting Pick 7 but I don't believe they did so great with the personnel they got Tanner Bruhn 2 years in the system with most stats below-average, Ollie Henry 2 years in the system with most stats below-average and Jack Bowes 6 years in the system who played 5 games last year with most stats average and below-average for a middle of the table team and was on $800,000 per year, the premiers lost only Joel Selwood but are 1 year older the replacements they need in forward lines and rucks are older the midfield will depend on Dangerfield who has had injury riddled season lately where are the Cameron/Stengle/De Konig recruits of the previous years?

Pick 7 may be a boom or a bust player since players rarely come to a club and perform straight away.

Richmond on the other hand gained Jacob Hopper 7 years in the system with a injury riddled 2022 and Tim Taranto 6 years in the system with stats that are elite and above-averge, maybe they will have an injury free year for Martin and Pestia but they have no picks to speak of in the draft.

Brisbane did well but some of the new recruits like Gunston who has a history of back troubles and Dunkley who threw a tantrum when he did not get enough midfield time the loss of McStay will only be known during the 2023 season, only time will tell.

Collingwood have gained Daniel McStay, Tom Mitchell, Bobbie Hill and Billy Frampton, other than Mitchell none of the others have set the world on fire but I think the loss of Grundy is probably the worst decision they could have made, since Cameron and Cox are reasonable where as Grundy at his best is in AA class.

Femantle may have sold the shop to get Jackson but got O'Meara for weets packets from Hawthorn, they also lost a forward and backup ruckman in Lobb, Acres, Tucker, Meek and Logue and have no picks in the draft until 30, Acres was given to Carlton for a future 3 round pick why?

Sydney gained Francis from Essendon, did they improve?.

I have watched football for over 70 years and I look forward to 2023 when the Demons get to raise the cup in the GF beating Richmond or Geelong.

Sometimes players at clubs get caught up with the wrong crowd and led astray which effects their football and life in general and the only way is a new environment to right the ship.

I hope we are that new environment.

He is now a former player who had great potential and played like he was gone in the later part of the season, coaches of your future club often talk you up and offer a great future like Buckley did with Howe but actual delivery is different.

The fact is that players who have left the club for greener pastures starting with Rivers were chasing the ultimate goal with only Frawley actually achieving it because he went to a club which had a premiership team and only filled a hole which was created by Lake's retirement.

Players who leave for more game time find they are now competing with other hopeful for the same spot so the need to perform since the players around them are either spuds or looking after their own spots.

When you get a group of players like GWS they are good players but the teamwork element is lacking and the coach has to change the mindset of each individual to team first al la 2021 MFC, when the team is under pressure they relapse into the old habits and fall away al la 2022 MFC where they bombarded teams relying on luck not finesse.

Remember a coach is only as good as the cattle he has at his disposal, Casey had good VFL/AFL players all year so the team had good structure. 

Stack is one player who could be very good or a bust but he needs to get his head straight first and foremost

If Yze wants to be a senior coach this is not a team he should start with since they want results immediately and a premiership soon.

The list is wishy washy hash of castoffs and hastily selected rejects, player are there for their retirement pay day.

They got Hannebery who well past his use by date, Ryder who was in his twilight of his career who suffered lots of soft tissue injuries because they need him to play too many matches per season.

Brad Hill was maybe near enough to being over the hill.

Brad Crouch need a retirement home.

These are some of the players they expected to create a premiership team.

I believe we will only consider delisted players to be put on the rookie list and I think we need ruck types and good tall project players since most midfield and small forward positions we have multiple players at this stage. 

His highlights look good but every recruits highlights always look good to sell the product to the buyer.

Hopefully he will be the player he was touted to be in the 2015 draft year?

If he experts are correct talls take longer to mature and hit their peak around 25-26?

I am going to throw out a left field idea for the club talk to Ryder and convince him to Join the MFC on the rookie list as backup ruck for 1 year.

I will make a prediction watch Andy Moniz-Wakefield this year he will improve out of sight may become the next Farmer?

I know he has shown very little but in one match towards the end of the year he had 18 disposals and took a mark Farmer would be proud-off.

From the hightlights Brown will have a great year?

I have always said that a club needs your top 15 players provided they are in the best 150 players in the AFL to play nearly all of the matches and with a bit of luck you can be premiers.

The quality of the bottom 7 players make the team better so they need to improve.

I look at the list and it has recruited 2 quality players who if they perform at their best we can be Grand Finalists.

The 8 teams who look to be in the GF mix are Geelong, Brisbane, Richmond, Collingwood, Swans, Fremantle, Carlton and Melbourne.

Injuries will play a big part in the end.

Of the 8 teams Swans, Carlton and Fremantle have not improved their lists as much as the other 5.

The outsiders like Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide need more luck with injuries due to their depth not being as good as the other 8.

Overall a good trade period for the club the players in Hunter and Grundy costs no more than LJ and Hunt.

Schache costs less than Weideman.

Melksham and Hibberd will take a pay cut to stay on allowing the club to pay more for Rivers and Pickett when their contracts expire.

The club now has picks 13 and 37 to find gems for 2023 and beyond.

The 2023 picks are 1st X 2 2nd X 2 and has been touted as better than the current crop.

The only area were we have little cover is the Ruck where we need at least another 2 players maybe the rookie list will be used like they did in the past with Jamar and others.

Fact the team has to promote Chandler off the Rookie List to the main List, Grundy is now on the main list.

As it stands at the moment we have 2 spots on the main list to fill and 3 rookie spots.

If Weideman is traded then they have 3 spots on the main list they may recruit a free agent to the main list and still only require 2 picks.

We have never used a second round pick only to get an AA player except Hibberd who became one at the MFC.

There is an old saying the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, unfortunately Geelong get better whilst the rest of the competition tread water.

I think Grundy is an upgrade on LJ in the short term and what ever we offered LJ to stay must be nearly what we are paying BG, we now have salary cap room for KP next year and onwards.