Moonshadow

Gee wiz, I know it's a highlights package and all, but this kid has some seriously good traits. Speed, awareness, vision, lovely kick too.

Without giving away the exact source, can you tell us roughly where they come? Source within the club, within AFL, media, current player, online forum, website? Adds to the veracity of "I've heard", which as you know could mean anything. Cheers.

Then they'd wait 2 years for his initial contract to run out and scoop him up. Not with pick 3.

Hawks would have this in mind when doing trades. No way they wouldn't leave enough points for him. They get 20% discount on points required to match bid.

Personally, I think we paid overs for Tomlinson... Oh, sorry... I thought this was the pessimists thread. My bad.

14, another pick inside of 19 and 24

According to AFL website WCE have resigned themselves to part with 2 x 1st and one 2nd

They need 2 x 1st rounders plus a 2nd rounder for Tim Kelly. One of those 1st rounders might be next year. Think they'll give 14 to Cats

Normally that is @Bitter but optimistic

Imagine live trading Frost pick (maybe 31ish) plus a future 2nd rounder for pick around 20-23 and selecting Weightman or similar sliding draftee.

Misery loves company. Perfect thread for you to embed yourself

More a case of when your dck stands up, your brain sits down, I believe

Mitch Clark

And we have $500k to spend elsewhere, whilst the trade period is only just beginning

Another slap in the face. Surely requires an external review. Fagan has a lot to answer for.

So you see us as a lowly club again next year? "Resigning us to rebuilding again through the draft" is pure MFCSS and totally not what some commentators are saying about us in 2020 Interesting how we each approach these things. I see us not as rebuilding, more acknowledging our deficiencies through some trades and pick 3 (or 2 x split picks). With a relatively injury free preseason and a fit list, some added outside skill and a favourable fixture, I expect us to be finalists in 2020. Yes, we had a very poor 2019, for a variety of reasons. We also had 3 years of improvement before that and reached a preliminary final. We can focus only on the negatives or we can look to improve our list and FD and move on. Doesn't make me a happy-clappy or a wrist slasher. As with most things, the answer lies somewhere between.

Yes, but he's neither another club or the Hawks. Easy for him to say

Following that logic, surely StK and Carlton would have no one wanting to join them? Oh, wait...

Look forward to seeing it when you do. Very interesting to see how players personalities come out (or not) on game day. Hodge is a very impressive guy.

Just trying to be positive, rather wallow in constant negativity. So we have terrible facilities, terrible players, and can't do anything right. Got it. Carry on!

Not having a crack, not being a defeatist either. You think Elliot didn't come to us because of Goschs? I'd say he was always going to stay or go to Brisbane, where he spent his youth and where his bro lives. Also probably because we might be outbid in terms of amount per year. Our facilities aren't the best, but they haven't deterred May, Lever, Hibberd, Melk, Tomlinson or Langdon

Certainly didn't load the dirt with PEDs upon leaving!

Would be nice to do it for next year's 2nd rounder. That draft is loaded with academy and f/sons

Yet Collingwood won a flag out of Goschs in 2010. Go figure!

Think he was referring to King