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Maybe I shouldn't have used the Mahoney but I am sure that was the MFCs approach. For some reason I am sure I saw him say it on the box in one of those 10 second clips they have or my brain is becoming frayed.

I actually believe he was our most improved player bur Brayshaw as well but I knew Brayshaw had it in him anyway.

A 2 hour lowdown episode. I don't know if they have done this before.

At the start of trade week.

23 or 25 are not first rounders. Mahoney said 2 first rounders at the start of trade week. Talk of these trades is media speculation and nothing more. Wasting pick 5 on May is ridiculous.

I really hope this Shiel move to Essenscum falls flat on its face.

I am going to stick my neck out and say there won't be one. I'll probably have it cut off.

So Bell uses the term due diligence twice and says they are not going to try and get Hogan. If they make a play for him over the next 3 days then Freo are the biggest hypocrites going around.

It was 2 1st round picks then later on we have heard 5 and 23. Well that aint 2 1st round picks. If we now get rid of Hogan for shall we say 5 and a future second rounder then there better be something wrong with the bloke because otherwise it seems like weakness on our behalf. As I have said before I would not deal with them.

If that is the case and with Bells " le grande " statements on friday then jessie can just say he doesn't want to be traded. End of argument. Unfortunatley that wont be the case.

What if they are Pavlovs dogs ?

That is 100% right.

What about some form of principles in this trade. Freo have shown none at all so Melbourne should not be dealing with them any longer. It is Freo that called it off. At the start Mahoney said 2 1st rounders for Hogan. For a player of his calibre that is fair enough and Bell threw shizen back in our faces. I just wouldn't deal with them.

Well I believe it has got to the stage that if what you are insinuating is true he can play FF at Casey. I think he is better than that though so he will play his best for us. Freo stance may have helped him into staying at least until 2021.

I just don't understand this at all. Now that freo have publicly backed away from the deal we should no longer deal with them on this issue. It is dead and buried. To turn around and trade Hogan to them on wednesday for say 5 and 23 would be a disgrace. That is my feeling anyway. Deal with it next year and be better prepared or maybe he changes his tune and stays.

I would temper laughing at Freo right now. There something more to come. The only plausible thing is they will not trade Neale and won't have pick 5. Also to accept 5 and 23 for Hogan is just not on. 5 and 11 at worst.

I smell North Korean politics all over this Hogan trade fiasco. Kim Il Sungs love child is up to something right here. I smell a rat. Maybe he and Hogan will agree to next year if the dockers finish last. I sincerley hope not.

I do not want to lose Hunt.

As much as we may hate Scully I think he may hate us to the same degree. Where it is unfortunate is that he is a good pacy midfielder which is what I think we need the most. There is no way he would consider coming back to us.

Well we all have different opinions. I like Oscar and am prepared to back our own. He is still fairly young and has a lot of improvement in him. Frosty is a goer although at times he can be heart in mouth.

I wouldn't deal with those Freo ar%^&*# at all during this trade period. There offer is insulting. Don't going shoving extensions in Jessies face just give it to him what real cakeholes they are. Hopefully he will change his mind.

I am avoiding future meltdowns over this because I am having one now.

Yes and this is why I would telling Freo to get s$%^#$%. Better to be stubborn for once and if it means a little less in 12 months for 1 player so be it. We have been taken advantage of too often.

Right so we just throw out the farm. Personally I would tell Freo to get s%^&$# and make Hogan play another year with us and see if he changes his mind and then dilly around next year. Of course there maybe something wrong with Hogan we don't know about.

So we get 5 and 11 for Hogan. I reckon 11 is too high but will have to be accepted. If we waste 5 on May it will be a disgrace.