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What if they are Pavlovs dogs ?

That is 100% right.

What about some form of principles in this trade. Freo have shown none at all so Melbourne should not be dealing with them any longer. It is Freo that called it off. At the start Mahoney said 2 1st rounders for Hogan. For a player of his calibre that is fair enough and Bell threw shizen back in our faces. I just wouldn't deal with them.

Well I believe it has got to the stage that if what you are insinuating is true he can play FF at Casey. I think he is better than that though so he will play his best for us. Freo stance may have helped him into staying at least until 2021.

I just don't understand this at all. Now that freo have publicly backed away from the deal we should no longer deal with them on this issue. It is dead and buried. To turn around and trade Hogan to them on wednesday for say 5 and 23 would be a disgrace. That is my feeling anyway. Deal with it next year and be better prepared or maybe he changes his tune and stays.

I would temper laughing at Freo right now. There something more to come. The only plausible thing is they will not trade Neale and won't have pick 5. Also to accept 5 and 23 for Hogan is just not on. 5 and 11 at worst.

I smell North Korean politics all over this Hogan trade fiasco. Kim Il Sungs love child is up to something right here. I smell a rat. Maybe he and Hogan will agree to next year if the dockers finish last. I sincerley hope not.

Well we all have different opinions. I like Oscar and am prepared to back our own. He is still fairly young and has a lot of improvement in him. Frosty is a goer although at times he can be heart in mouth.

I wouldn't deal with those Freo ar%^&*# at all during this trade period. There offer is insulting. Don't going shoving extensions in Jessies face just give it to him what real cakeholes they are. Hopefully he will change his mind.

I am avoiding future meltdowns over this because I am having one now.

Yes and this is why I would telling Freo to get s$%^#$%. Better to be stubborn for once and if it means a little less in 12 months for 1 player so be it. We have been taken advantage of too often.

Right so we just throw out the farm. Personally I would tell Freo to get s%^&$# and make Hogan play another year with us and see if he changes his mind and then dilly around next year. Of course there maybe something wrong with Hogan we don't know about.

So we get 5 and 11 for Hogan. I reckon 11 is too high but will have to be accepted. If we waste 5 on May it will be a disgrace.

Beams would have to take an enourmous pay cut to play with the filth. They couldn't afford his current wage and Brissy can dig their heels right in.

One thing that might become distressing is that Hogan only plays one more year with us and the dockers finish last on the ladder. That means he can walk into the draft and those shizenkopfs get him for zilch. That would be so annoying.

Didn't mind Mick Nolan as a ruckman.

So we get 5 and something else for Hogan and waste pick 5 on May. I just don't get it. Make em pay 5 and 6 or next years 1st rounder instead of six. If not they can ge% ^%$#$%. Use 5 on best suited vic in draft not on May.

100% agree.

I hope this is correct and staying. You don't want to lose a player like Hogan unless there is something wrong and we might not know that until early in the next season. We do not need to bend over for a player like May. He is not that good.

Well it will be sunset at 5:30 in Tromso and 6:31 in Oslo. It will be dark there before us.

Yes that is true but I am convinced there is something going on we don't know about. Maybe it is a physical thing and we are happy for him to go. Don't know.

So if Hogan had a medical then one would presume he is going but then again maybe mrs fremantle might be unhappy with mr hogans foot.

I cannot understand the desire for May. We have tallish defenders at Casey in Petty and Keilty who may be able to play a similar role as May. Also lever will be back which will make our defence much stronger. If we are to lose Hogan then picks 4 & 5 ( not 9 and 10 ) should go on the 2 best vic kids in the draft. Personally if we don't get 4 and 5 he plays another year with us.

Possible.

They come out with this Neale shizen the day after Hogan paid em a visit. Maybe they now think Hogan will be a no go next year. Don"t know.