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and if it is the same tackle I am thinking of - which he was rewarded for - 10 seconds earlier he was cramping on the boundary stretching his leg. Pointed that out on one of the footy shows. Super effort

I agree ( hang on...what ?)

His handballs are not wasted and I dont find too much wrong with his kicking. He wants to be at every contest and loves a tackle. He aint quick but gets to where he should be. But damn the man looks ugly doing it - nothing silky about him at all. In Summary - doesnt burst from stoppages like Beamer - but gets clearances - doesnt do the run downs like Flash used to do - but knocks up getting tackles - doesnt look as sweet with his hands inside as the Gys but gives out as many effective h/balls - doesnt look as silk as Trenners in tight but always there feeding the ball out Proves to me that doesnt matter how good you look doing it as long as you get the job done and he is getting the job done and then some.

He has a way to go and again made some blues and indecsions on Saturday but I really like him - he is creative and prepared to run. I would like him getting more possessions but I think he has been alright and is progressing nicely. Young and improving like many on our list.

No place for it all. Dermott B spoke about things being said in the heat of the moment but did not condone it any way shape or form. However if RR says is correct and it was going on the entire match then that is a disgrace as this is not equivalent to heat of the moment. I still have very unpleasant memories of sitting in the top deck of the western stand during the 2000 GF with my then 10 year old daughter and watch Long take out the big snake ( pardon the pun). The racial abuse from our own supporters behind me was so ugly and I had to remind them that they were shouting racial abuse to Long and Jeff Farmer was right in between Long and the abusers. What Long did was wrong and would have been wrong if Jeff White, Brad Green, Jonno Brown or Alvin Purple had done it. I have no problem with anyone calling a footballer a scumbag - although I prefer wittier sledges. I do have a big problem with the need for any descriptors placed before the insult which relate to race,religion or creed.

The other wonderful thing to note ( if the clip had gone 3 seconds more) is how quickly he bounced straight back up looking for the next contest.

Thomas is an amusing man - its almost like he says the first thing that comes into his head without filtering it at all and then digests it - half the time you can almost see him thinking " what i just said is a crock/wind up" and the other half of the time you can almost see him patting himself on the back because the voice from his mouth actually made some sense when it exited and then got digested by his brain.

Face value

Besides his tackling on Saturday the rest of his game was just ok but thats 100% fine by me -the rest will come. He doesnt look as dangerous as he did in the early part of last year as his disposal doesnt look as clean - but thats also ok. I said it in the Howe thread and the same applies here. Not everyone will be 100% on their game every week but as long as you have some impact on the game then you have done your job. His tackling and his kamikaze attack on the ball made him more than valuable. Ricky more than did his job on Saturday and I put him in the best players purely based on his mantra of not letting the ball out of the forward 50 and committing 100% to every contest.

Too much time on my hands - watched the replay again against the Toiges and looked carefully at Jeremy Howe. He had a quieter game than the week before. Its has already been mentioned his harrassment work and second efforts in the first quarter on the wing to cause a turnover and then work hard back to goal to kick the goal. He didnt mark too many on Saturday but hit enough contests with body positioning to make sure he was the only one with a chance to mark. It was either him or nobody. Then his refusal to give up in the last quarter and break through a shepherd ( albeit a weak one) and cause McGuane to turn the ball over resulting in a Sylvia goal was again persistance. It shows you dont have to be getting 20 possies plus or 12 marks to influence a game. I just love what this kid brings to the table. I am not one for going early ( read my dozens of early comments on Jack Watts - " ill wait until he is 23 before judging him") but my bones tell me that he is going to be pivotal to our forward line structure going forward.

Ive said that a few times too But everytime I try to get out...........they pull me back in again

When was the last time we won there ? I went to us play the doggies there - ( half expecting a loss as they were on fire) and we won - cant remember when that was

never understood that - my gf has a cat and i reckon i could crush its head with one hand ( not that it has ever crossed my mind......)

I cant believe everyone let this one go through to the keeper !!!!!

I enjoyed the Jones bump as well - but it was on Nahas, so Jonesy reputation was at stake if he didnt send Nahas flying. ( Imagine the ribbing you'd get if you laid a bump on Nahas and he DIDN'T go flying)

What you also didnt mention about Howe is who created the pressure /turnover for him to get the goal ? - it was Howe up on the wing. The kid works really really hard.

If anyone asks me what sort of effort I want ( read love) from the Dee's each week there is no better example of the tackle from Jordan McKenzie on Dustin Martin in the 2nd Quarter. He literally flew from the ground like Superman. I replayed it a few times in slo mo to see the look of horror in Dusty's eyes as Jordie flew thru the air at him. The thing I loved so much is that Jordie was behind a body after an initial contest and seemed out of the this next contest and could have been forgiven for not making that second effort to launch into a tackle. But launch himself he did. Super stuff - super effort.

I think you will find there wouldn't have been a problem if "anchor" had said that a foundation member has said those things at the lunch but I too read the post and gulped as it was clearly insinuated that Sheedy, the CEO and Dipper (it should have rung alarm bells when his named was mentioned !) had said those things to the lunch.

What he didnt show early in the season ( apart from the Swans "sub game") which he has shown specifically in the last two games is a kamikaze approach to the contest - be it ball or man. Thats what impressed last year before injury and thats what I am loving now.

Its not the size of the population of the barrel of fish at BF that scares me - its the IQ of the population of the fish in the barrel ( or lack thereof)

One certainty - mail is currently addressed to the wrong people, delivered to the wrong houses or doesnt arrive at all. Mail has been doing that as long as I can remember and will continue to do so forever and a day.

Sorry Ol' - subtlety is lost on me !! I would be suggesting from previous noises made by TS that it will be MFC or GWS. The Tigers or Pies machinations talked about are going to be way too difficult to orchestrate.

Except that Nick Stevens was adament he wanted to go to Collingwood and ended up at Carlton and therein lies the point that RPFC is making. There has to be an enormous amount of work done for TS to get a club other than GWS. Once TS says no to MFC AND GWS then he loses control over where he wants to go unless a deal is struck.

This thread is a loathsome, offensive brute - yet I cannot look away.

So much wrong - where to start ? It has become a huge issue - for who ? the media ? some demonland posters ? the club,the player and his management have said they are comfortable with waiting until season end - a position which has not altered since last August No other club has this issue - Ablett at Geelong already played out, Pendlebury signing for one year only - well done on your tough stand Pies. Jackson Trengove and others - go back over the seasons - they are numerous examples of not only the MFC but other clubs having contractual arrangements not finalised until draft day or weeks before. Benefit for the club and player to know his future and his terms - if this does not happen until season end ( as happens with many players) this affects the player and the club how ??? The club is being held to ransom - welcome to negotiating - its called demand and supply - players who are hot can demand big contracts. Out of form/fringe players have to beg for a contract. Certain players are considered overpaid when their payments does not match perceived performance( Cam Bruce ? Fevola ? ) whilst other players are a steal as they are probably overperformed on their contract payments ( I would suggest that over the last contract Mark Jamar may fall into the category) Commit to negotiate or dont play ? this comment completely contradicts you next statement - it is a business and we should opt for commerciality with no sentimentality. Talk to anyone in business about negotiating for a wanted item and rule one is dont give ultimatums that there is no backing away from. Question - is him signing a contract in October a deal breaker ? I cannot see why it is so why throw up the ultimatum. It is not unreasonable that a player doesnt negotiate until contract end. The one correct statement is the supporters waxing and waning. Cool headed, calm people and a professional football club is not.