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For all thing post game the Stats File thread is the place to go. @Demon Dynasty does a weekly overview of the game just gone using his bespoke ratings system as foundation 9and @WheeloRatings provides a weekly wrap of the key stats for the game just gone, including CBAs This is wheelo's stats from the doggies game:

Sorry Jnr, not sure i follow. What history did i revise? You are correct that we had issues defensively - both in terms of personnel and system in 2018. My love child omac was preferred ahead of Lynden Dunn back in 2016 because unlike Dunn, Omac COULD play in a zone system and play the role the coach asked him to (Roos was coach, but goody was already working on implementing his zone defence system - which goes to my point about the kudos he deserves). Dunn couldn't - or wouldn't - adjust his game and just wanted to be a man on man defender and so we stopped playing him (much to the angst of many on here). It's no coincidence ahead of Goody's first year as senior coach (2017) we shipped Dunn to the Pies (where he was happy being an old school one on one defender playing in an old school one on one defensive system). In 2018 Goody was still developing his zone and all team defensive system. Frost continually pulled the defensive grid out of shape by running up the ground and doing random Frost stuff. Frost ball doesn't work in a zone defence, or at least not the one Goody designed. And so he was shipped too (in 2019). Goody, needing a quality interceptor for his system to work targeted Lever, trading him in at the end of his first season as senior coach (2017). Unfortunately, in the year you reference, 2018, Lever did his ACL half way through the year, and could only manage 8 games in 2019. You'll get no argument from me that Petty, who we picked up in the 2017 draft was by 2021 a better option than Omac. Petts looked like a star from the get go. But Omac was at the dees until the end of 2020 and played an important role in the evolution of the defensive system that Goody had started developing way back in 2016. As i said goody made it his number one priority to build an elite defensive system - a project that took 5 years, and yes the right personnel. And a key part of his strategy was using up A LOT of capital to bring in two A grade defenders in May and Lever. (by the by, on demonland there were many posters who argued we pulled the wrong rein with lever and paid overs/too much). Where's the revision?

At the risk of being overly argumentative, we traded him in BECAUSE he was an intercepting defender - the role he played at the crows (one of the few playing that role at the time - now every team needs one). Goody deserves a lot more credit for his tactical innovations. He didn't invent the all team defensive zone or the use of the zone off, third man intercepting defender. But he did perfect the model - and now most clubs, the successful ones, have copied him. And for good reason. Goody was happy (if that's the word) to trade out hoges if it meant he could bring in may. The combination of may and Lever is the foundation of our defensive sytem. And it's hard to imagine we would have been so successful if not for bringing both to the club. Yesterday was the perfect example of the wisdom of Goody focusing on building out from defence. I actually thought the dogs defence looked much better than the last few years. They have brought Liam Jones in to play the intercepting marking role, and he is a star. And it looked like their zone defence was in better shape. But they are behind the 8 ball. Naughton played at chb in his first 2 seasons, but then went forward. And they have loaded up on forwards since - JUH, lobb and Darcy. Which is fine, except their biggest weakness is their defence. We went the opposite way. Yesterday we were more attacking and aggressive and had a significantly different method. With one exception - our defensive system remained much the same (with some tweaks - may for instance got into a lot of really attacking positions).

How good is it to be super confident a player will hit a target by foot, or failing that at least not butcher it straight to an oppo player.

Sorry, not sure what you mean. They are screen shots from where?

So billings and Windsor played on the same side of the ground the whole game (except when one was off the ground)? What position then would you say billings played? I was trying to work it out at the game. I watched the replay and still couldn't really work it out - I presume half forward flank when in 666 but basically a winger/utility once play starts? (Its something that drives me nuts - I don't understand why at centre bounces after a goal the broadcasters don't show a graphic, even if only in the corner of the screen of where all players are set up like used in cricket coverage to show fielding positions).

That's fascinating - and new? (Not tge hea map the defensive forward half split) I assume that's on the AFL app.

Yep.

It's interesting that the vibe seems to be Lever had an average game. I thought he was terrific. He had 8 score involvements- only maxy, Billings and tracc had more. He also had 17 disposals and was part of a group effort that shut down lobb, naughton and weightman. He was a key to how well we transitioned from the back half.

You gave me your feedback and advice Moonshadow and i responded to it politely. I heard you. But with all due respect, I'll post what I want to post. I'm loving the win. I could not be more thrilled. And as you well know, having been, like me, a long term poster, whilst I have my faults, failing to be positive is not one of them. There is a certain level of irony in calling me out for being negative given how often over the last ten years I've been accused of being too positive about the club, blind to our faults and too ready to find 'excuses' (read reasons). And besides I wasnt being negative about the club. I was calling out the posters who make this forum difficult to engage with after a loss. And go missing after a win. And I did so in a pretty balanced manner I thought. I have some advice for you. Next time we lose, which of course will happen, jump on demonland and call out the usual suspects who pop up to wack the coach, team etc and think it's just grand to run the club into the ground. Perhaps give them some advice to rein their negativity in and be more positive.

I care Hemingway, but I take your point.

And he's got something you can't coach or develop - raw speed.

Give me a spell. I didn't name names. And I wasnt rude and I didn't take any pot shots. Unless you call the truth a pot shot. And frankly I'm heartily sick of posters spewing vitriol against my club after a loss. And then going silent after an impressive win. If you are gonna call out the club - repeatedly- after a loss then show some spine and put your hand up you might have got it wrong. It's the opposite of fair weather supporters.

Keen to hear the thoughts of those posters who practically wrote our season off and blasted the coach and players after our loss last week. Some remarkably definitive comments were made, given we were beaten on the home deck of a pretty good team that the bookies had as slight fav. You know who you are.

Indeed. Tracc was far and away the best player IMO. 13 score involvements is nuts.

That's exactly the same message w I get too. And like a good automaton, I keep trying again later.

You know you can't drive to tassie I assume?

Yes. I ticked thst box, and had one last year. But despite auto renewing have not received anything from the club- no card, no letter confirming payment, no email. Nada. Zip. Of course I should have chadef it up before now - but I shouldn't have to. Particularly for the coin involved

Thank Luci. That's not the message i get. Mine says something something unexpected error. Try again later. By office, do you mean the window they open on game da near gate 3? If so, that was my plan. But my suspicion is there will be many people needing assistance. But perhaps 2 hours early is bit much! An issue is i have a reserved seat, which i'm hoping to be able to access. A GA pass will get me in, but not provide evidence of my seat.

I'm going to go 2 hours early and try and sort it as it would do my head in being stuck in a line waiting whilst he game is on

Have done this 10 times so far. No joy. It accepts my password etc. but then goes to screen saying unexpected error try again later.

Working on some things.....

@Brownie That's the thing, i don't think they sucked us into those handballs, i think those handballs were evidence of the tweak to our method, a method that now looks a lot like that of the Swans and tigers. You are right, fast movement is the key. And as Engorged Onion notes, so is getting territory at all costs. The pies used that philosophy to overcome the all team defence and zones we perfected and other teams have implemented. The only way to create space in your forward line is to go fast, so it is a method that makes sense (and why, as a generalization switching often doesn't). I reckon in part this handball based method is a reaction to the Pies method, which relies on there not being too much pressure on the kicker the ball is ultimately fed out too (usually Crisp, Pendlebury, SB or one of the daicos brothers). What what was fascinating about the Swans Pies game, in addition to to the handballs, the Pies sweated on that out side player and gave them no peace. But the Swans also often allowed the ball to be fed backwards, so daicos got ,many of his possessions in defensive, non threatening positions. Which is why despite getting so many possessions he was pretty ineffectual i thought.

Fair enough EO. You're right, the way the swans (and dees and tigers) are playing is clearly a strategic and planned method - and as you suggest a fundamental element of her method is taking territory at all cost, though more by hand than foot. An you're also right, it is really a twist on the approach tigers perfected in their flag years. Its worth noting though that Goody was experimenting in the 2023 preseason and first few games with really long handballs forward. A better way of describing is perhaps that it looks somewhat chaotic. It's an interesting model becuase it is impossible to implement without hundreds hours of all team practice over the preseason, drilling it in, honing the handball skills (for example the increasingly used over the head and bounce handballs) and practicing positioning and structures. On the latter point, how often did the Swans handball blind but still find teammate? That sort of synergy can't be magicked up, so if clubs didn't put in the time in the preseason its going to be all but impossible to implment in season. From all the training reports, my observation at the two training sessions i've been too, and our three games it looks like we have done the work. The other interesitng thing is it is a model that might be exposed come finals becuase each handball creates a trurnover opposrtubity. But as i've noted i think there are now two seasons and two methods - home and and away and finals. Come finals the game devolves into the sort of brutal rugby scrap we saw last year (whilst still retaining elements of the home and away season method)