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36 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Can someone please explain why Watts was dropped twice during the year. And no I'm not buying into he dropped himself. The fact he was dropped for the last round combined with a healthy list means Jack is not a guaranteed walk up start for round 1. 

He was dropped becase he wasn't playing well enough and in the last game he himself noted he needed to get more competitve, seemingly having heard and understood the message from the coach, who said much the same thing.

You say 'the fact he was dropped for the last round combined with a healthy list means Jack is not a guaranteed walk up start for round 1', which is true (though of course no player is a walk up start, including Hogan if he doesn't follw team rules and the coaches instrunctions in the pre season).

But of course that's not what you had asserted or what we were debating. For the sake of clarity you asserted:

1. Watts didn't understand what was being asked of him by Roos
2. Jack Watts was gifted games because of our injuries and the hope that Roos had that his message might finally be getting through.

Both assertions are, by any logical measure, highly likely to be wrong. 

33 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Watts was gifted games because of our injuries and the hope that Roos had that his message might finally be getting through. For those that like to keep announcing that a Watts played 20 games could you please explain to the rest of us why he didn't play all 22? 

How many injuries did we have last year?

 

That is complete and utter rubbish. As i have pointed out Roos made it clear no one will be gifted games. You insult him to suggest he gifted games to Watts. 

Roos has coached the dees for two season now. He selected Watts  in all 22 games in the first season and 20 of 22 in the second season. Meaning from a total of 44 games as senior coach he has selected him 42 times. And you seem to be seriously suggesting Roos (a respected, premiership winning AFL coach) has 'gifted' him those games in the hope that 'his message might finally be getting through'. That is just a nonsense proposition. 

Pot Watts all you like but Roos obviously doesn't share your opinion and i'll take his over yours if its all the same to you. 

Can we please have a Jack Watts silhouette that has tenth of it revealed every game he plays? 

11 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Many argue Roos isn't a match day coach and lack game plan mouse, but is the master of team building and empowering the players. Watts either doesn't understand what is being asked of him (quick, someone ask me how I know what Roos is asking of him) or can't bring himself to do it. Mentally weak and needs to go.

Sorry, still not sure what you are saying. So many words. So little clarity. 

A query though. Watts played 20 games last year. Don't you think it is safe to assume the coach would not select a player who didn't understand what is being asked of him?

In fact if Roos has made one thing clear is that players will not get selected if they are not performing their role and doing what they told, that's to say a player better understand what is being asked of him (and carry out that instruction) or he won't be selected. So the only logical conclusion is that Watts understood clearly what was asked of him. Or perhaps you have another 'truth'?

Sheez

No doubt a superstar. A loyal one at that. In the time i have followed the dees (i started regularly going to games by myself in 1977) he has been our only superstar (Schwarz pre knee injury was oh so close).

I really believe he is the most underrated player in my time following football. He wasn't as dynamic (in the crash and bash sense) as a player like Carey or Matthews but was every bit as influential. Funnily enough i see a lot of Flower in Fyfe.

1 minute ago, ManDee said:

Fantastic, thanks.

What was more ironic was that i initially misspelt ironically

... and changed it before you could point it out

(note: misspelt comes a spell check error, whic is an error by spellcheck i believe)

23 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Never though I would point out an error in Hemingway.

And ironically didn't fix them all !

20 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

 

Comes down to who's opinion you respect.

Does Watts respect Roo's??

Are you implying he doesn't? On second thoughts i've got no idea what you are saying. 

25 minutes ago, nutbean said:

my mentor told me that sometimes people get the truth confused with opinion.

Great minds and all that.

4 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

No offence but your mentors got it wrong. 

I was always told tell the truth, sometimes people won't like what they hear, but if they are true to themselves they will respect you for it. 

 

Very easy to mistake opinion for truth.  A mistake many people make, especially here on DL.

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

I know the point you're making and agree with it, however, it's most unfair on Yze and Robertson to be mentioned in this conversation.

Over a 4 year period Yze had the most kicks in the entire AFL, he won a B&F and made AA.  He'd occasionally frustrate me, but he had a fine career in anyone's language.

And Russell Robertson also won a B&F, should have made AA when he kicked over 70 goals, and was 4 times leading goal kicker.  He's also known as one of the games great high marks.  For a player who was ultimately demoted and came back through the rookie draft he too milked the most of his God-given talents.

Both players achieved 200 game milestones.

 

Yep, good points well made. I had forgotten yze made AA and he was always one of my favorite players. We could do with some players who kick as accurately as he could. You're also probably right about robbo. Both however were definitely part boys.

2 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Great post, not petty at all.

Life membership has now been cheapened.

[censored]. utter [censored]. And i don't say that lightly. 

I can't believe the hate for Col. Bizarre. 150 games for our club. 150 games. More than 10 seasons playing in the red and blue and he deserves vitriol because he didn't reach his potential and was a party boy? he cheapens life membership? Really?

Adam Yze, Russel Robertson and Travis Johnston. All life members. All players who it has been argued could have got more out of their talent if they worked harder. All party boys apparently. Do they cheapen the life membership?

11 minutes ago, Meggs said:

I understand H had surgery on both ankles and is only this week cleared to start running.  He hopes to be ready for Round 1. I believe these injuries prevented us from seeing him at his best during 2015.  He has nominated himself as the surprise packet for 2016, let's hope he is one of several. 

I had to laugh when i watched the video where he nominated himself as the surprise packet for 2016. I wondered if he was poking fun at himself and his reputation or he was actually being sincere. Either way if he does go up a few level from last year could be an important factor in an improved season for the dees. 

26 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Col never put in the effort that is why people arent keen on him getting life membership - not cause he left.  him getting one cheapens the honour for the likes of Jones

I can't agree. Life membership is for 10 years service. Col played for the dees for 10 years. Its not a value based award and doesn't cheapen the honor for Jones, or any one else, in the slightest. And jeez louise its not as if Col is an axe murderer

5 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Lucky we wren't talking about Jayden Hunt.

Which player would we be discussing if we were?

56 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Why are discussing Magner?

 

Because it rhymes with Wagner?

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

1 ...2 years less time served. No backdating

2... They will have the voluntary suspension time served deductedfrom the 2 years making for 19+1/2 months from announcement. That's August 2017before they can eventrain withclub again.

3... I think they will go afterHird and Co.

4. .either at the 'call" or shortly thereafter.

Interesting predictions. Players out till August 2017 would end some careers - how old is Jobe Watson?

Hopefully we'll know soon enough

5 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Now though, after all the game playing and obstruction, I think the book should be thrown at them. They deserve nothing less.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong but haven't your 'sources' indicated the book will be thrown at them, that WADA will go after Hird and other high ups and that the players will get long sentences (two years IIRC)?

You seem to be softening your predictions.

To avoid post announcement spin perhaps you can provide succinct answers to the following questions , based of course on your intel from sources. Note that i am assuming they will be found guilty.

1. How long will the penalties be for the players?
2. How many games will the players actually miss after backdating and other considerations are taken into account?
3. Will WADA go after Hird, the board etc as you have previously forecast?
4. If your answer is to number 3 yes (and i'd be surprised if it wasn't) will they announce their intention to do so when handing down the findings on players (which would seem the logical time)?

For balance my answers to these questions are as follows:

1. 18 months
2. 10 (available to play from round 11)
3. No
4. Thye will be asked their intentions, suggest they will look into it and drop it thereafter

7 hours ago, H_T said:

Thanks for the photos, awesome shots. Brilliant. Pictures give good evidence. The Trac, Viney, Trengove, Harmes, VB, Stretch all look primed. 

Watts looks as though he's been a decent paddock.  I reckon you got a good angle of him, front on.

One of my rules for life. Always get photographed front on. A related one is to always back away from a mirror

7 hours ago, hells bells said:

Geez he looks in ripping shape in that photo. Somebody put a man where a boy used to be. 

The two things I'm most excited about for 2016 are CP5 and Jack Trengove returning to the MCG.

He looks like bloody superman. A terrific player who reads the play so well. I'm positive they will play him as an inside mid, which is where he has always been best suited.

If he comes back it will be like getting a free top ten draft pick (to offset the ones we have lost)

Have just watched the replay of this match. For me the highlight was that on a couple of occasions, most notably in the first quarter, Geelong pushed hard and looked like tting on top but we fought back. Brayshaw was a highlight also, so fierce. 

Was a pretty good game by Watts and watching the game again reminded me how often he is involved in our scoring chains. 

1 hour ago, Six6Six said:

I think you're being a bit tough on Wattsie. The light in that shot has caught him just at the wrong angle which gives the impression of a bit of a belly. He actually looks to have muscled up a bit.

Yeah that's what i say when i see a photo of me.

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Watts looks fat .

He does doesn't he. PD about that bet......

13 hours ago, felixdacat said:

Rob Jackson occasionally puts up videos on Instagram of the boys training and there was a really great one today of Petracca

 

for those who have Instagram there is some good videos of the boys training also, especially great to see some vision of the boys for us non-Melbourne supporters who only get to read the great reports on Demonland.

 

Misson just had kittens

23 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Yeah Cripps is a second year player. 

Still a great year for him, let's hope Brayshaws is as good.

I watched some youtube clips on the weekend (there is a bunch of good stuff here  https://www.youtube.com/user/Jackhammer1796) and was reminded of how good Brayshaw was last season. Some of his tackling is ferocious - the Geelong game has some terrific examples.

But the thing that jumped out was the number of goals he set up intercepting or linking up at half back, running and carrying and kicking long into our forward line. Gartlett got at least 3 goals as a result and Spencer got a crucial one against Geelong.  Deceptively pentrating and accurate kick (of both legs) who will only get longer as he gets stronger.