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Thanks TU So not many intercepts marks then and really good spread of dees players marking inside our 50. Out of interest where di you find the stats.

I reckon that is really good point. And nullifying strengths is good way of describing it too i think. its not as if we do anything radically different week to week, like say Geelong sometimes do (eg go super slow against some teams, fast against others). We still stick to our model and work to get the 'game on our turn'. But we are really good at mitigating strengths. Maxy mentioned straight after the game, in his on ground interview that they were a high scoring side and we did well to keep their score low, as did goody in his presser. It was clearly a key focal point coming into the match. Like we did against the dogs, one way we achieved that goal was being super focused on blocking the corridor and at marks/frees having a player stand on corridor side at 45 degree angle (in addition to he player on the mark) making a kick inside risky. We have probably improved in this area from a coaching perspective, and given Yze was in charge of opposition analysis at the hawks (i think) no doubt he has brought some great knowledge. But i reckon a big tick needs to go to the players as a benefit of them all being focused on doing their role and the team first things is that they are better able to implement instructions and strategies designed to nullify the strengths of the opposition.

Indeed. We had 14 marks inside 50. Our season average is 12.7. Tick We had 56 inside 50s against a season average of 55.4. So then you can't discount our marks inside 50 number by arguing we had more inside 50s than we normally do. As you say our efficiency inside 50 was poor - 44.6% against a season average of 50.3%. And a high percentage of our missed shots at goals (eg Tmac, Spargo, Harmes etc) were from shots with little angle, as opposed to being from the boundary, as is often the case. And many of our missed passes were similarly in the middle lane. If we had converted our chances and not missed so many easy passes inside 50 we would have won by 5 goals plus. The other stat he might want o check out is how many intercept marks the bombers' took inside our 50. Given he reckons the Giants intercepting defenders, Haynes & Davis, will knock up taking uncontested marks because we are looking for the marking option that don't exist then perhaps, the same should be true of Ridley and Stewart . I can't find those stats, so perhaps I'm wrong, but my guess is they had bugger all intercept marks - certainly less then they average

True. But i hope they do bring the heat as I want to watch a good game now that i finally get the chance to watch a game of footy live again. One thing i love about where we are at ATM is that the game plan is built for the g and the a clear focus of 'making the g small' as max said after last weeks game. It seems a bit counterintuitive, but i reckon our game works well with the extra space at the g becuase if teams try to switch to get around our zone the width means it takes two shoter kicks or one long one to go to the fat side. Both options give us time to get across and cover that opposite wing. And each extra kick required to switch or pick their way though us is an opportunity to force a turnover.

Where did you see that discussion? It might be a financial and logistical consideration for 7 given all tbe chaos with grounds and coverage

I wasn't disagreeing with you. On the contrary, I meant to say they can be in the 8 if they win and as you say may not make the eight at all if they lose, so it is huge game for them. And i have no doubt they will come out hard In a funny way it might help us. I sometimes feel that for top clubs (and i'm still pinching myself that we are one this year) they sometimes find it bit hard to get up for games when the opposition isn't up, and those games can, somewhat counterintuitively, become danger games . But if the giants bring the heat from the start hopefully that gets us wired from the get go too.

If they win they may well be in the 8 at round's end

That's a quality preview.

Jones desperately unlucky. Not surprised Brown did not come in. Give him another week to build his strength and fitness. He has played bugger all football in the last 6 weeks. Another game at vfl level and he comes in for Port game. And that will be tbe forward line settled. Assuming his form is ok I suspect he will play the rest of tbe season and finals from next week.

So i should book my flights and hotel room. Or not.

A covid related footy specific question - i promise. Currently there are no restrictions for Victorian traveling to SA (well that's not quite true - as per the SA gov website anyone who has been at a COVID-19 Tier 1 or Tier 2 Public Exposure Site in vic are not permitted to enter SA) And looking at the SA gov website, it would appear there is no restriction on crowd size. So does it not seem likely that the game will go ahead at Adelaide oval next weekend (assuming no change to current situation)?

The Captain jack avian disease is mutating

Fair calls. I'll make one last non football related comment then desist from posting non footy related covid stuff here. I think there is plenty of sensible center people in the media, but like politics the media model is devolving into a very dangerous binary divide that places all opinion and information on an completely made up, abstract notion of a left right continuum of beliefs. Ideas do not fit neatly on left right divide. And nor do all policy decisions What is important to understand is why this model has gained such traction. The key driver is that this model is easily monetized. Conflict rates. Division is lucrative. The price we pay for the model is hyper partnership, poor policy, over simplification of complex issues and misinformation. Australia has long political history of sensible center politics and bipartisanship. That model has served us well. But is at grave risk One of the great ironies of the left right nonsense is that on both ends of that spectrum people share concerns about government overreach and the loss of personal freedoms. But the way things are heading fascism and authoritarianism are the likely end point. Surely everyone, no matter their political beliefs would hope to avoid this. This article provides some fascinating insight into the drift towards, and support for authoritarianism by Republicans in the states (with reference to voters on the right other western democracies) https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/28/global-right-wing-authoritarian-test/

I would have been more convinced if the list included Miranda devine

200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball, by Flat Earther Eric Dubay[14] What more really needs be said? It's 2 hours long. At best, every proof would get 1.67 minutes of screentime. As a PDF, it's 35 pages long[15] — too long to debunk easily, too short to present conclusive evidence. Nevertheless, rebuttals have still been made From here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Ta. Did may plsy on greene in that game? If not, who took him? Tomlinson?

That is brilliant. I have never heard the term but know tactic very well. Its funny, because the tactic is pretty much the organising principle of the Murdoch mafia's business model - millions of spurious arguments designed to create furious arguments and division. And Murdoch's genius is the model is not based on ideology. He'll leave that to the suckers. It is about monetising conflict. And power of course. Theirs, that is. Trump, and his acolytes, has taken the core of the gush gallop model and put their own spin on it - flood the zone with so much [censored], so often that rebuttal becomes futile. And the very act of rebuttal confers some level of credibility to complete and utter nonsense. Imagine having to rebutt a claim like the Jan 6th insurrection was a false flag event. Or that trump won the election.

Faulty, you made the argument not me. I asked for evidence to back up your assertion. It is tbe classic strawman play, a favoured trope of peanuts like Murray, to make a big statement that corresponds with their own world view - and when asked for evidence to back it up , don't provide any, and instead say 'prove me wrong'. I rebutted your argument and provided mutiplle examples of evidence to support my argument. But you have not provided a single piece of evidence to support your argument. On polling, a quick search and I found this, from a Murdoch site no less: 'But despite the reassurance a lockdown wasn’t imminent, a news.com.au poll of more than 22,000 people shows that the majority of people in Sydney think that we should go into lockdown. Those in Melbourne and interstate are also very keen for it to happen. https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australians-seem-happier-to-be-locked-down-than-vaccinated-and-it-makes-no-sense/news-story/4f0b4dbd43b555e8d556f15e8d687f6d By the by the article also directly contradicts your claim that most people wont swallow the b.s any longer.

I didn't suggest you claimed a majority were against lockdown. I know you said opinion is changing. What's your evidence thst opinion is changing.?

Faulty, as i say there is little value in us batting this one back and forth. That said, i have one question - do you really believe this to be true? If so what evidence do you have that it is the case. And by evidence I don't mean the Murdoch/Sky echo chamber. I mean hard evidence. Not a Paul Murray or Peta Credlin editorial. Not anecdotal evidence, or a vibe or all my mates reckon. Hard evidence. I would argue it is completely and utterly untrue. And there is a mountain of hard, real evidence to back up that postion. Public polling for one (google it). I'll be my bottom dollar that even in NSW polling will show very strong support for the decision to lockdown. The Western Australian election. The New Zealand election. Landslide victories on the back of hard health restrictions, border closures and lockdowns. The fact that that every state and territory, bar tassie and Canberra, has chosen to lockdown at some point. And will continue to do so whenever there is on outbreak. Well, until such time as the feds get their [censored] together and 70% of the population is vaccinated. The public support (again see the polls) for the country to be in a virtual lockdown and not allowing international visitors is more evidence. We love that [censored]. Shut the door. Stay away. We're an island The fact there is broad support (again see the polls) for us allowing Australian citizens being stranded overseas. Bad luck mate - we're in lockdown. Which is why a Liberal government not making any move to change the settings on international visitors and travel. Why isn't the coalition, who are all about the free market, doing everything in its power to open the borders to get all businesses humming and international dollars flowing? The answer is obvious - because they would risk being smashed at the next election because there is overwhelming public support for closed borders (again see the polls). If anything they are going the other way becuase narrow path to victory Scotty is a political animal and he knows the public love nothing more than being kept safe. Lock us down ScoMo. Do people hate lockdown? Of course But the evidence that the public support lockdowns to control outbreaks is incontrovertible. If you have evidence to the contrary i would be interested in seeing it.

Exactly. In all likelihood, if we had not chosen an elimination there is no chance we would have kept it to 100, 000 cases. We would have been lucky to have kept it 1, 000, 000 cases. We made the call as country to go down the zero covid path. A path that i supported as did the overwhelming majority of Australians. And i reckon, if truth be told, even the open it up, the cure is worse than the disease, zealots secretly supported it. So easy to make theoretical, ideological statements from the luxury of you covid free soap box. In Victoria we endured a four month lockdown, but that is nothing compared to what say Europe has had to endure. And for most of the rest of the time we have enjoyed, with the rest of Australia, all the benefits of a covid free life. Those benefits include a surging economy, strong consumer confidence, low unemployment - and if you are lucky enough to own a house, record house prices. And it is worth noting that these benefits completely contradict one of the key predictions of the open it up crew - an elimination strategy would cause economic ruin. Well, those dramatic warnings have simply not come to pass - but i don't hear the Paul Murray's and Andrew Bolt's of this world walking back their predictions. These over the top predictions, have not only proven to be completely wrong, they also make a mockery of the narrative such toss posts push that the governments and health authorities are running scare campaigns. What thee commentators should have been banging on about instead of haranguing sate labor governments and pushing an open it up mantra, is using their influence with the federal Liberal party to pressure them to get their act together with the quarantine and vaccination programs. Credit where it is due, Peta Credlin is doing so now. Twelve months ago would have been better, but better late then never.

I want to go Adelaide to watch to watch us beat the 'power' (what a stupid bloody nickname) at Adelaide oval, a ground i have not seen footy at yet. It was right at the top of my to do list this season. Watching us beat them at Geelong does not have quite the same feel about it.

ManDee, do you drive?

Agree to an extent BB. But not when it comes to partisan zealots. And with Paul Murray i can assure you i do not reject him based on his employer. No doubt there are any number of excellent journos who work for Murdoch, many of whom who hold views contrary to mine and that would be happy to engage in a discussion with. I reject him Murray because of his truly offensive and dangerous views on all manner of issues. For the same reason i reject Pauline Hanson and repudiate her views. I'm all for intellectual rigor and debate BB. But to engage with the arguments of such people is to give their aberrant views some level of credibility. And i refuse to engage with world views that have as their foundation a belief that there is alternative facts. Such engagement leads us to the insane situation in America where tens of millions of Americans believe trumps big lie (more than 50% of republican voters), tens of millions believe in Qanon and people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and mark Gaetz can be elected to congress. And who has laid the ground work for that reality? Murdoch. And people are crazy if they think we are not risk of heading down that path here.

It is one in hundred of the people who have caught covid. Meaning if 1000 people get covid 10 will die. Which is low, because the international data suggest 2% death, so it would be 2O. The rest of your data is irrelevant. And a weird strawman argument to boot. What does 8.1 million people in NSW have to do with anything. The reason only 56 people have died from COVID in NSW i becuase they, like the rest of the country have aggressively pursued a can elimination, zero covid strategy. Hence their current lockdown. If they had instead had a suppression, minimization strategy they might have had 100, 000 covid cases and a 1,000 deaths (maybe more, who knows). And your road toll number? Meaningless with out the context of the total number of individual trips and/or hours on the road. This data is from budget direct; The average vehicle travelled 13,301 km per year, or 36.4 km per day The total kilometres travelled on Australian roads in 2018 was 255,031 million For the sake of argument we applied a 0.01% death rate to the total kilometers travelled on Australian roads, in 2018 there would have been 225,503 deaths. Would we still drive then? And mandee, you have been at pains to point out you are not prepared to take the risk of the complications of having the AZ vaccine. You will wait for les risky option. Which of course is your right. So it seems kinda contradictory to be pointing out that 4 million Australians have had Astra Zenneca and only 2 deaths. Why are you waiting?