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According to training reports he did that much of last week I sure as hell wouldn't get in his way. Imaging having him and Viney coming at you. If you had a choice, whom would you try to avoid first? ? Maybe someone who $kulked off to GW$ seeking fortune and infamy. Actually don't know and don't care anymore.

OMG this is getting bit tiresome.

Is it paranoia if they actually are out to get you? They do love their 'test cases' to be tried on the 'lesser clubs'. Imagine had any of those unprecedented cases been against a Collingwood player - just would not have happened. If my memory serves me correctly, our Allen Jakovich was the one and only player ever suspended for wrestling, and that in a practice match.

FCS why the free...unless TO Oliver for incorrect disposal / holding the ball?

Acknowledging Jordie's skill deficiencies, if every player on our list got as much out of their potential as did Jordie, we would be a bloody good side. Top 4. For too long, up until now, many have not. Jordie's endeavour and work ethic should be held as a target for all. Looking forward to Clarrie having a long and distinguished career in the R&B.

Why no Harmes? Multiple nominations

Don't for even a microsecond think I am feeling sorry for them because I do not in any way, but EssUndone don't have the luxury of letting Parish simmer away in the seconds for a few months:. they will just have to dose him up and send him out there from game 1.

And I suspect that some pathetic big noter in the MRP were this to happen in 2016 would cite him for the new offence of "tackling too hard". Let's hope they don't give him a retrospective / retroactive suspension - nothing would surprise me from that corrupt mob.

One could, reading the last few pages, easily forget that this is a Clayton Oliver thread. Mods - how about setting up a pinned "personal abuse and bickering" thread?

Always so many "ifs" IF we had picked Wines, or Stringer, we may have won a few more games and never had a look in at Brayshaw and Petracca. Time to move on.

AFL rule 1: one rule for "marquee clubs": another for "also rans", those that are there to make up the numbers.

Careful with the payments, robert, he could lose his amateur status

No. Far stronger build even now.

Except Oliver is au naturale

Yes. Fine if he forces his way in - but this coaching / selection / managing group is not going to "gift" him or anyone else games. So - if he is ready, fire!!!!!

Move on rjay That was a very different club environment with very different recruiters, development, and coaching.

rjay - I think that you are seeing more than there is here. I see it as him being a modest country kid who has risen far faster than he could ever imagine, and doesn't want to get, or give, excessively high expectations too early. He has certainly changed in appearance from the pre draft photos. Leaner and more athletic.

An interesting analysis of the sub / interchange situation Dee - it is certainly going to help to have players who are fit and can stay on the ground. IMO it should help get some stability on the ground.

Powder!!! OMG!!!! Dank isn't anywhere nearby is he?

Mods - any chance of a major cull / edit and transferring a huge chunk of this derailed threat to a "Jones v Cotchin" new thread?

I guess most are or should be hoping for the day that Nathan doesn't get the best tagger because others do : then he may become white collar. But if I recall, this is a Clayton Oliver thread : one an hope, reasonably, that Clayton may become one of those who take the tag away from Nathan

Chopstick restaurant in Prahran springs to mind.

stuie - very different. All the others were allowed and in fact used full club facilities, support teams etc I suspect the answers to all are no, and the last at least with any teams that are affiliated with any ASADA / WADA affiliated competitions. Hopefully not even backyard basketball with Christian Petracca :-)

Because the AFL continue to bend over backwards to gloss over this sordid episode, and to reward to cheating administration and staff at EssUndone. ANZAC Day continues, as do their pre time fixed-tures. I even heard today somewhere that they were talking of "compensating" the banned players! FCS talk about mixed messages.

stuie. Well said. A watershed moment. I doubt that players will blindly follow ever again what even blind Freddie would have seen as something questionable at the very least. ASADA and WADA have resources available for all (professional at least) sportsmen should they have any concerns. They chose, albeit under peer and staff pressure, to take the risk and were caught out.