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1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Maysy will just have to console himself with his Premiership medal, and the fact that every Melbourne supporter adores him.

Gleeson did say May was "elite".

I think the article while debateable about who is best focussed also on weitering 's absolute importance to blues defence which is true.

Whately said this morning that Oliver is so good 45 possessions from him isn't newsworthy anymore.

Same with May. He can't get any better so let's talk about someone else....Weitering. 

12 minutes ago, ManDee said:

What other kind of marks are there? Or does it mean kicks kicked within the forward 50?

It means for example his kick into Fritta  in the final 1/4 of the GF. Got the ball from Trac outside 50 then nicely honoured Bailey's well-timed lead at about 30 meters from goal.  Game then over.

On 5/17/2022 at 7:58 PM, monoccular said:

Great news - very much under appreciated and unrecognised in the footy world at large, and by some within this group ... but not amongst those who matter in our club.

Pressure, tackler, and amazing vision and disposal.

Congratulations Charlie.

Great post on Spargo.

His teammates have said he's the club's best kick inside 50m, but its his eleite decision-making I like before he executes and in split second time. Never makes a wrong call.  The delivers the pass accordingly.

On 5/18/2022 at 3:57 AM, Garbo said:

I can’t be bothered to look up every year but swans 2017 comes to mind they didn’t first get In the 8 until round 16

Good pick up Garbo.  There were a couple of outliers I missed but odds of change still a few chances out of 240 in that time. 

Its like the AA team. We all have players who should be selcted, but then the question is who do you then drop. I reckon the 8 now has the best 8 teams in it.

Like for Ed Langdon,  - should have been AA last year for sure, but who goes out?

If the AA team was picked on position, which it isn't, then Ed's a certainty this year.

On 5/17/2022 at 2:54 PM, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Sorry to be pedantic, but the top 8 system didn't start until 2000 :) in 1994 they went to a top 6 (prior to that it was a top 5 for a period of time after much of the competition it being a top 4).

 

Sorry to be pedantic but in 1994 the Top 8 started.

west coast, Blues, North,  cats, dogs, hawks, DEES and pies in that order, then started off with 4 Qualifying finals.

Unless the AFL Tables site is wrong of course.

3 hours ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Except for Collingwood in 1902 (they lost in 1901)

or Fitzory in 1904 (they lost in 1903)

or Collingwood in 1919 (they lost in 1918)

or Richmond in 1920 (they lost in 1919)

or Collingwood in 1927 (they lost in 1926)

or Geelong in 1931 (they lost in 1930)

or Richmond in 1932 (they lost in 1931)

or Richmond in 1934 (they lost in 1933)

or Essendon in 1942 (they lost in 1941)

or Richmond in 1943 (they lost in 1942)

or Essendon in 1949 (they lost in 1948)

or Collingwood in 1953 (they lost in 1942)

or Melbourne in 1955 (they lost in 1954)

or Melbourne in 1959 (they lost in 1958)

or St Kilda in 1966 (they lost in 1965)

or Carlton in 1970 (they lost in 1969)

or Richmond in 1973 (they lost in 1972)

or North Melbourne in 1975 (they lost in 1974)

or Hawthorn in 1976 (they lost in 1975)

or North Melbourne in 1977 (they lost in 1976)

Or Essendon in 1984 (they lost in 1983)

or Hawthorn in 1986 (they lost in 1985)

Or Hawthorn in 1988 (they lost in 1987)

Or West Coast in 1992 (they lost in 1991)

or North Melbourne in 1999 (they lost in 1998)

or West Coast in 2006 (they lost in 2005)

or Geelong in 2009 (they lost in 2008)

or Hawthorn in 2013 (they lost in 2012)

 

My gf quote tied in with my original assertion on the final 8 system which commenced 1994.

Hard to have a final 8 with only 12 teams.

So my broad comment was wrong and should have noted the 4 cases since 94.. Or noted 86% of the period saw gf losers not make it next season.

Still reckon the 8 is set. But lets see in round 24. And again the tiges progress will be fascinating. 

Nice work back to the 19th century though Katrina.

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

How can you forget the infamous 1987 and 1988 seasons

Hawthorn

Good call but I am looking at the modern afl era from 1992

3 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

I reject the premise of this thread.

The Swans lost the first 6 one year and made it. 

It looks like 12 wins will be needed this year. 

Great example. 1 out of 240 chances over 30 years.

The premise still stands with the odd outlier.

4 hours ago, Mr Steve said:

8 is far from settled. At least two teams will drop out. 

30 years of history says otherwise but there’s a firsy time for everything I guess

43 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Nope, its based on how many of their 2020 GF team still there and with the exception of Riewoldt and Cotchin in good form.  Riewoldt can still turn in a high scoring game. 

They have unreal finals experience and belief.  They know how to turn it on in the finals even if they haven't had the best H & A season.

Not saying they will but even if they aren't top 4 they are the most likely to give the finals a good shake outside the top 3.  And on their day they can roll any of the top 3.

Fair points and I reckon the tigers meetings against Top 4 rivals will be the most fascinating aspect of the run home.

I much prefer them as a club to the Cats so hope they at least keep them in lower end of the 8

16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

It is highly likely top 3 will be Demons, Dockers, Lions.  4th spot is up for grabs for one of Blues, Cats, Saints, Swans or Tigers to do a 'Bradbury'.

The threat is the Tigers, having comfortably won every game since Dusty returned; admittedly those games were vs Eagles, Pies and Hawks.  If Tigers get on a roll they can roll any of the top 8 teams.  Hopefully they don't finish 4th and will have a harder finals run.

For us, finish top 2 and win the first final and all our finals will be at the G.  Lose the first final and we will most likely play an 'Away' Prelim, if we make it.

An interesting aspect is whether Dockers, Blues, and maybe the Saints suffer 'finals nerves'.  The further they go the more stressful it will become.

Agreed with your Top 3 view.

But I reckon the Tiges comments are based on when they were scary-good from 2017.  Understandable too.

Dees, Lions and Freo have so much class now all 3 of us can take care of any team.  Tiges will give it a crack but we have the 'Hibberd'  solution for Dusty, and I'm sure Lions and Dockers do too.

If the Cat's don't now see the slide is on, they never will.

A random meeting with a mad cats supporter this week at Catland repeated other fans calls for the umpteenth time, Scott should finish up.

Over the last 30 years, the Final 8 is settled by Round 9 and only the order of the 8 changes.

Thus we can say now the Pies, Power, Dogs and Hawks have missed out.

And the average annual movement in and out of the 8 is 2.8 teams, rounded up to 3. So this year is an outlier with 4 new teams from last year.

My argument there is that in 2021, the Dons were a false dawn and should not have made the 8, so they don't count this year as a failed finalist, and the Tiges are back where they belong talent-wise anway.

Great to see Freo make it..  And the Dogs slip up.  But again, never has a losing GF team made the GF the following year.

In other words when the Dees beat you, you stay beaten.

Final 8 now set.  Historically after Round 9 it doesn't change, just the order of the top 8.

Thus pies and Dogs are missing the finals this season.

19 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

How about a compromise? We take whatever they give without a second thought, and give them nothing in return except destruction and humiliation?

Not Necessarily true about support.

I understood it was Freo people backing us, including their cheer squad. 

Optus is called Boo stadium for a reason and no sympathy here for any Eagles types.

15 hours ago, loges said:

Not really sticking his neck out there, is he.

Tim Gossage is a cheer leader for Eagles. Nothing more, nothing less.

Move on.

17 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

'Simon Goodwin has wasted no time in endorsing his senior assistant Adem Yze as a potential "fine senior coach," should the GWS Giants come calling.'

Demons coach lauds assistant in wake of Cameron departure

 

Can we just go back to back first Goody?

I can beg if I have too.

(I share your sentiments though on OOOZE.)

18 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

FWIW . . . I have no idea if Cameron can coach or not. I do know this first hand though. There's been deep discontent within the playing group about the money some players are being paid relevant to their footy output. Or said another way, their highest paid players are not necessarily pulling their weight nor rowing in the same direction. There have been many peculiar management decisions at GWS. And as far as I know,  the most dysfunctional decisions didn't have Cameron's blessing. The organisation escapes deep scrutiny in Victoria because they are off-broadway. 

If true it smacks of bigger issues.  They need better list management for a start.

A super coach can't fix those issues. But AFL will go with a big name for pure marketing reasons .

My fear is that after reading the list of possible candidates in todays Age, and excluding Clarkson who ruled himself out last night (IMO) unless he speaks with forked tounge, that Adem Yze would be best choice from that list , huge CV with us, years under Clarkson, etc.

He must stay with us.  If not good luck to him though. he deserves a spot as a senior coach.

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

This could be Adem Yze's chance at a senior coaching gig.

Normally I would agree.

But GWS is an AFL - owned franchise and not a traditional team in the historic sense.

AFL can't risk the next coach as a newbie, no matterhow good they are. And Yze is good alright.

Must be a big name for marketing etc. Theyr'e not the Swans and never will be with ingrained history and culture.

Clarkson or bust IMO

4 hours ago, sisso said:

Ross was driving me spare was listing to MMM while I was at the match he kept referring to us being 19 points down in the GF and being "gettable"....um dont mention the fact we won the flag by 12 goals and no one has "got" us since!

You missed the classic Ross Lyon in last year's GF preview.

" I think the Dogs will win and Goodwin coaching from the bench will cost them..."

Yesterday's man IMO.

11 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Soft opposition that are not up to AFL standard. Could we fall into bad habits? What are demonlanders thoughs?

An excellent question Werridee.

Yesterday at the game everyone around me at half time were blown away by the sheer class of the Dees (and conversely about about how over-rated are the Saints).

It was beauty to behold. Then came a lacksadaisical 3rd quarter on the back of some good Saints planning, leaving us to rue the final % increase of 3% which could have been 6% had we continued on.

So next week especailly will be fascinating.

But as an aside, kudos to ANB and Pickett coming in and showing that forward half pressure in spades the Dees really missed last week.

Is tunnelling reportable? 

It should shouldn't it zak.?

16 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Are you serious? I acknowledge the excellent shepherd. I also acknowledge his 2 goals in the last quarter, the 1st of which was  a result of a brilliant pass from Petracca (we were already 49 points in front and had the game won). The last was a result of a pass from Nibbler. Unlike others, I think he was totally within his rights to take the kick after the siren and I would have been disappointed if he didn't take it and treat it seriously. One shepherd doesn't make you an all-time great. If it does then the entire team including JJ who didn't make it onto the ground are all all-time greats. No problems with that.

yes I am, and yes it does.

In  a package of the games highlights our grandchildren will watch in 2052, THAT shepherd will be one of them.

Tom's a great in that context.

13 minutes ago, old dee said:

Interesting kicking two goals in a grand final after 54 years makes Tom an all time great for the MFC. The fact one of them was after the siren when we were well ahead is not recorded in the score line specs. 

TMac did the greatest shepherd at the most important time in the clubs history,

Letting through Tom Sparrows killer goal in the 3rd 1/4. by pushing aside, and not infringing,  against Josh Dunkley (I think but may be No. 12)

THAT made him an all time great.

Just now, Colin B. Flaubert said:

Are we talking amateur or professional? 😄

From memory it was someone with Olympic background . So not pro.

I know your query was probably a joke one but sensible in a way the more i think about it.

Anyway its a great memory sort of.

On 5/5/2022 at 11:53 AM, ElDiablo14 said:

Ideally the club should put in place a succession plan? By the time Goodwin's contract is up, he would have been 10 years with the club. Although it's hard to make any assumptions at the moment, I'd assume in 2025 we should still be Premier contenders.

I agree if only to be fair to potential replacements. Just do the exact opposite of the pies process.

And it's goodys call.