old dee

How come 4 years we were both crap and now the Lions are GF chances and we are still cr-p?

I will take your word for it. I could handle being an average player who got paid $ millions. I would sleep well ever night.

He has some ways to go to catch up on the dollar front RG.

What they have kicked 5 hardtack?

Not if you have the first few picks sue. But you are correct if we give north pick 1 the MFC will be up to its eyes in crap and be looking for several FD positions to fill and potentially a new board.

Ok the Hawks rate and we don't just look our game times and how often we figure on FTA.

Your last line is what I am on about. A significant number of our best 22 have poor delivery. They don't miss kick every now and then they do it week after week. Even last year we had a lot of forward entries that result in no score because of poor delivery which resulted in turnovers and scores by the the other team.

We are taking about a comparison between a multi GF winning coach and a third rater. Hawthorn sell papers the Deed don't it's that simple. Damo.

So much of what fans talk ( including me) is based on over rating the players in the team we follow. We over rate players who get the ball a lot but under rated the cost of poor delivery resulting in turn overs and games lost. If majority of the time you miss kick that results in a turn over you are IMO a poor player. Poor players don't win games.

That makes two of us dd.

They have won one of those 3 already HB.

And laughing RG.

I think you have missed my point. If you don't beat a team you are not better than them. The score board says it all.

Plus 1

Big chance Bbo.

Our delivery back then was poor and has not improved. It does not matter how often you get the ball if you turn it over constantly with poor kicking. Teams have woke to us since 2018 and most weeks beat us with a revised game plan because they know exactly we will fail with poor kicking.

I was Making no comment about their results to-date DD. I did not see the dogs game in fact have never seen weightman play. I just made the comment about things that almost happen but in the end don't. If they gave flags to teams that almost pulled off things the MFC would have another 5 added since 64.

Surely if you are a small forward you have to kick goals. He is not fast, not a good kick, average tackler, gets low possessions each game, has no spring to take an over head mark and is too short. Should gone at the end of this year.

Nearly equals didn't.

Nothing is ever " just methodical work" at the MFC. We make hard work of the easiest game.

Agree with most of that Binman except the first para. We did not best the cats so we are not better than them. The only measure that matters is winning or losing.

I wasn't suggesting you were venomous. I accept other people's views but it's no big deal we just think different on this subject.

I agree R and B.

Probably wise one!

The Carlton game he kicked 2 goals as did hunt. They are not without talent. I do agree he will be better in the future but I think a rest is in order.