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Yes, and the one goal was from an unattended mark on the goal line against Brayshaw when Oscar was up the ground minding the mark. Some of the other talls should have dropped back.

Can't complain about the effort and intensity, but still too many lacking the clinical efficiency and smarts to finish or nail that last kick into the forwards - Harmes, ANB to mention two. We need to get 50 games into most of these players, it's going to be a couple of seasons before we become really consistent at the pointy end.

Certainly feels that way. I can understand the Tyson in move, but Tyson for Spargo has left us a small scrapper down. But there are a few players we're not getting enough out of, even if the intensity is there: Harmes, T Smith, even a few in the backline even though the ball has hardly been down there: Salem, Joel Smith. I can understand them keeping Fritsch up the ground because of his ball use, but we need a couple of smarter players closer to goal.

OK, but goal at the end via Smith - inexperience, needed to slow it down, keep possession. Still ... we've come to play, at least.

Watts and Trengove, maybe, but Toumpas had a year under Neeld etc., but then had two seasons at Melbourne under Roos and co. The other thing that gets me about this, is that Watts has done no different at Port than he did at Melbourne, and no different under Hinkley than he did under all his preceding MFC coaches.

I'd have Pedersen, Vince plus one of Spargo/Hannan out. Wouldn't be surprise to see Stretch or JKH in, perhaps Garlett or Tyson, though I realise that none of those are replacements for Pedersen or Vince.

Not disagreeing, but look at the VFL report: Tyson didn't even make it into the 3 who got "votes". The issue with Tyson isn't getting the ball, it's what he does with it. He's just not a great user of the ball, much less distributor. Happy to be proved wrong, but for the moment ...?

... perhaps our players should have picked up on this ...

Yes. And he left because he didn't want to play in the back line, but be a star forward - which is why he was recruited at the Pies. It's only when that didn't work out (again) that he was moved back.

WTF ... Lewis had more rebounds than any other player on the field.

Amongst both teams he had most possessions , equal most marks, and highest number of rebound 50's, all taken care of with a disposal efficiency higher than all but one Collingwood player (who had 3 kicks), and all but 3 of ours. He also spent more time on the ground than any other player out there (94%). But heh, zero impact.

Still too early for Petty. One inexperienced back (Smith) is enough for the moment.

Lewis? 33 disposals (most of any player on the field), 9 marks (equal most of any player on the field) and 8 rebound 50's (also highest of any player on the field) ... that Lewis?

I wouldn't be too critical of Brayshaw - Tom Phillips has been huge for them all year, but Brayshaw shut him out of it today. But then that cost us as we lost Brayshaw's drive.

They brought the intensity, we didn't. We didn't handle Cox - though not sure what the solution was in any case - but it was losing around the clearances that's the biggest concern. Probably look at Tyson in, but we needed more from the likes of Harmes and Petracca for starters, as well as bigger games from the likes of Jones and Viney. Brayshaw seems to have been sacrificed to keep Tom Phillips quiet, which worked, but then we lost his outside run and disposal. I also just don't see Pedersen's place here going forward, would rather put time into Weideman - and I wonder if Vince mightn't have played his last game in the Red and Blue? It's not just that he's slowing down, one of his trump cards was his smarts and disposal, but that seems to be going backwards by the week. Problem there though is who replaces him? Wagner? Petty? Still, I for one would have taken 8 and 4 at the turnaround, let's see if we can use this to learn from and regroup.

Lewis isn't the problem, it's further up the ground and around the ball.

Hard to see us pinching this one now. That last goal was the one we didn't need. Will be interesting to see what happens going forward now, have a few players been found out when the pressure is really on?

27 tackles to 16 (for us).

Collingwood bringing it. Gonna need to step up.

Perhaps, but I can't see any clubs changing coaches this year?

Only a matter of time before there's an injury, even a 1-weeker. We're not going to get through the next 11 rounds without someone from the midfield coming out.

Has Pedersen played enough games to be eligible for VFL finals (6 games I believe)?

With Stretch as the emergency, Garlett for Hannan if he doesn't get up.

Wonder where that leaves him as a possible Lever replacement.

Tim Smith? Very quiet. If Weideman (or Pedersen?) play a blinder, could be under pressure as third tall/relieving ruck.