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It wasn’t a strike. There was no striking motion. The elbow was purely to fend and protect from a tackle. He can’t be charged with striking if it wasn’t a striking

I think I'm as negative as anyone on here about Ben Brown, but I wouldn't be making a call on his place in the finals - in 17 weeks time - based on his first up performance. That's about as useful as saying a horse won't win the Melbourne cup based on its first up run. The same goes for Tom as a defender. I wouldn't have done it, but he's just played there for a half and did a good job, and we need to go with a more mobile forward line against the Swans. If Tom got first crack at filling Tomlinson's role whilst Petty gets a bit more match fitness at Casey I wouldn't say it was going to be a disaster purely based on Tom's form in 2017 before he went forward. Matty Lloyd was an all time great but he was also a player who failed to adapt to the way the game changed. Both Tom and Ben can adapt if they are trained up correctly

The mcg does give more width but another factor might be even a night game under lights could be more friendly than the sun on Sunday! They were planning for too many sunny days when they decided to play footy on a ground that runs north-south. May in particular really struggled but it wasn’t easy for anyone facing in to the sun

I assume the points are based on the above formula. The chasing, closing and physical pressure all are vital in forcing rushed disposal from the opposition.

The midfield just weren’t winning the ball but at the same time a smaller forward line pressuring to lock the ball in and spreading to move the ball provides cover for the mids and backs. The forward line with one less tall in the second half moved the ball and locked it forward more efficiently. Obviously North tired pretty badly but we went from giving up 9 goals in the first half to just 2 goals after half time. Keeping that pressure on has to be our first priority.

Brown also means we can’t rest Gawn forward efficiently, the two of them in the same forward line is a disaster. So we have to either ruck Jackson less or decrease Gawn’s game time. Having a key forward who does absolutely nothing after he contests just limits the structure. The counter is he kicked 2, had one touched by an inch from outside 50 and had easy chances - mostly that one in the last. But if he doesn’t pressure he has to be a great lead up forward and start getting the ball up the ground. I’d drop him, but we’re 7-0 and he’s a 60 goal a year forward so maybe we stick with him to see how he improves and how we play around him.

In that last 3 weeks he's had a grand total of 2 tackles. He's moving well against VFL opponents but he's a poor pressure player, we've got years of evidence of that.

If Brown and T Mc was top heavy and didn't function why is anyone signing up for the idea of Brown and Weid together at AFL level? Even if Fritsch is out that's 2 big lumbering forwards which is at least 1, probably 2 too many. Have you all been living under rocks for the last 4 years and missed Richmond winning flags based on pressure?

Spot on. Danger punched the ball, left his elbow out and KO'ed Vlastuin in the grand final and it was fair game! Accidents happen but a core of the game is that the ball player should protect himself from copping injury and that everyone else works around it. It's the half a step that Fritsch takes from the gather to contact and the fact both players were down at knee high that makes it a pretty reasonable reaction to contact and not a reckless play. A player as lean as Fritsch is a monty to get sling tackled if he doesn't protect himself too. A fine to caution Fritsch I could understand, but more than that and you have to start picking all sorts of contact that results in injury. Brown and Walker split their heads open colliding and everyone is understand that it's going to happen and has happened for 100 years with no medical supervision, no care, no research and largely the game has gone on.

The big disappointment was how bad our senior players were playing. Gawn was flat out abysmal. Hitting it straight down North players throats, little pressure, flopping around for free kicks, making dumb decisions with the ball (please never kick short Max). It was everything that he hasn't been in recent weeks. Oliver and Petracca weren't winning the ball nor defending. Cunnington is going to win his share of the ball but he's pretty easy to force in to scrappy disposals if you pay him respect. The forward line pressure was unsurprisingly a mess but Tommy Mc didn't show any intent to take advantage of his match up with Walker by getting him way up the ground. Moving him back was just as much about getting him in the game as it was filling Tomlinson's spot. Lever was trying too hard to intercept rather than stick with his man. And May was doing the same only worse! Plus adding a degree of flopping around like an [censored] too. Our leaders have had a great first 6 weeks, but it's disappointing they were the ones to have the huge mental let downs not the younger players. Jackson, Pickett, Fritsch and some dumb luck kept us in it for a half really. North were both clever and good. They tagged Lever with a physical forward in Zuhaar and dragged him deep. They put speed in the midfield. They sat on Salem. They sent Simpkin out to a wing to tag and work off Langdon. Ziebell did a great job intercepting - and a less great job defending Fritsch (he's very Lever like). They moved the ball from side to side and hit up their leading forwards rather than bomb long. Certainly a tick for their game plan and execution for 2.5 quarters.

It was comically bad. Like he'd forgotten the rules or forgotten how to dispose of the ball. All progress with taking the easy option, not fumbling and making clear decisions was lost. It was the 2nd worst thing I saw all game, just behind Petracca waddling off the mark and getting called to play on repeatedly.

He certainly popped a few up today and whilst they were worrying they did land safely! He can flatten them out too - mostly on going for goal. He's certainly not a great kick but he does have upside there. He got on the burst a few times, didn't exactly break it open but there were times - used and unused - where he was running. He certainly has acceleration that Gus doesn't. But yeah, his kicking was better than anything else he did only because it was ok not bad. Otherwise I totally agree that he was poor and isn't high on my list, I was shocked he was picked. But short on Rosman going from fringe VFL player to AFL player in the next 10 weeks there's really no one else who can bring pace on the wing. Maybe that's ok. We've got Langdon. We've got Hunt at half back. We just live with some combination of Gus and maybe mix in some Harmes, Sparrow, JJ etc. Marlion Pickett and Liam Baker both created big openings against us. I can see why the coaches were thinking let's use this chance to have a look at Baker now, then we can try it again later on.

I thought his kicking was the best part of his game! Had a few nicer kicks dropped and didn't fluff many (or maybe any?). He's constantly half a second slow to react and pressure and he has very little idea on how to contest. I'd like to see him played at half back at Casey to develop his contested game. His run and carry and penetrating kick could be a weapon if he developed the rest of his game.

Tackles and pressure acts are easy when you're second to the ball in the midfield, and it looked like Melksham played a lot of that game in the midfield. Hardwick last week talked about pressure 'post clearance', because any team can get pressure on at a clearance with a dozen players around the ball, it's the pressure you apply when the ball is loose in space that defines your overall pressure. Melksham just doesn't change direction quick enough to put pressure on in space. Maybe it's just lack of physical ability to do so, he's quite a stiff player, but I don't think that's a total excuse. He seems to lack intensity. Then there's the other part of his game which is he just isn't hard enough at the contest. Again he's stiff, he's upright, his head and body is away from the action. These guys get coached day after day on how to win contested ball. There's no excuse for not committing the body over the ball and securing it. Paul Roos turned a rubbish Melbourne side in to at least a competitive scrappy team purely on the basis of getting your head over the ball and picking it up without fumbling. Oh and today's newest rubbish action in his game - not being able to fight through a tackle to handball and instead attempting silly little kicks when under pressure. Net result = turnover. If he is in the midfield more he has to fight through tackles and get the ball free safely. Overall he mixed in some good stuff today, he'll almost certainly keep his spot in the side for at least next week, but he can't be 20% down on intensity week after week and just coast because he can mix in the occasional good kick. If we want to be a finals side we need every player bringing finals like intensity.

There's always exceptions to the rule. Stephenson won the whole thing too, fat lot of good it did him when his club was turfing him out the door. Well done on North picking him up by the way, he looks like a serious talent again.

I hope he doesn't get nominated and doesn't get a vote. Just quietly going about his business will do me just fine. The rising star is an award for bad teams.

I think 70% game time on a back flank is about the limit of Riv's tank as is, I don't think we'll be seeing him move to the midfield this year. Long term I agree though, if he can build his tank he has a lot of attributes that would be handy in the midfield.

Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Jordon = 1-4. Ideally Sparrow would've played but I think they took the opportunity to get him game time on Thursday. He'll be in I'm sure. Harmes is next in line. That's 6 for 4 or 5 spots. Brayshaw was bad today but I think if you had a real absence of onballers they'd sharpen him back up with more game time. He's 7. Vanders after that. Then probably Bailey Laurie who should be playing good VFL footy if not injured. The issue isn't so much our primary on ballers but they lack of talent of the rotational pieces. Melksham, Jones and ANB just can't be trusted to rotate on ball. Baker isn't a reliable wingman. Bowey - developing in a different role, and Laurie - injured, are 2 of the right kind of players we need to mix through but that's about all we've got developing. Utility running players who can rotate on ball or do a role forward, back or on the wing are a big priority.

A half against a tiring young side is not enough to determine if Tom has made significant inroads in to his skills and decision making. Because the last time Tom played down back he killed us more than he killed any other side with his rebound. Tomlinson's steady skills - and all round steady play - is what made him suited to the job. Tom's skills aren't the only worry for him down back, he also has to keep track of smaller opponents at times when teams switch over and his mobility just hasn't been at that level for a few years now since he's had knee and ankle problems. He's moving better this year but I'm still not sure it's enough. With May, Lever and Gawn floating back a key job for the other key defender is to play within themselves and not spoil team mates.

Will take him several decades to invent time travel, fix his knee and learn how to chase and tackle. He's in the same boat as Melksham - will our coach fall in love with his upside or be honest about his glaring weaknesses?

Fritsch. Pickett and forget the rest. (Or 4,3,2,1 Langdon, Jackson, Oliver Jordon)

I’d rather it be 4-6 than have it flare again. We have 2 Viney replacements in Sparrow and Harmes in the VFL. We’ll have at least one of them in the side from next week. Viney’s really a player that we need available at the right times than one we should need every week at this stage.

If McDonald and Brown didn’t work there’s no way we’re playing Weid and Brown. Even if Fritsch is out.

And Viney was named in the team. Doesn’t mean either were fit. I saw Chandler as the travelling emergency, likely to be the sub if needed. I didn’t see anyone else in the rooms post game.

McDonald was good down back when the pressure was off. Against speed and pressure he’s a worry to give up goals. The positive is he should be protected if we play better. The most important thing is what happens in the midfield and forward line. Todays mid and forward set up didn’t cut it at all. Sparrow for the mids and one less tall forward are both more important than a Petty/McDonald debate, either can do the job.