The Chazz

Howe was a player that was costly for us up forward (or many of the reasons that DubDee listed), then sulked when moved back (which is where he played/s his best football). Roos moved him on because his attitude wasn't in line with what he was trying to build at Melbourne. Howe was exciting in his first year or two with us when playing forward. But as soon as the opposition took away his greatest strength (flying in packs), the rest of his game dropped off, hence the move back. It's this reason that I'm going to watch with interest the career of Fritsch. One of his key strengths is his ability to take pack marks. If the opposition take this away from him, I hope he can develop other areas of his game. He may, and that will be great. If he doesn't, he may not make it.

What were the reasons Howe became ineffective as a forward?

He's not big enough to play KPF, he's taller than a small forward. He's an inbetweener that is getting on the end of a few, very early in to his career. He's a newbie that opposition sides don't have as a priority when looking at our match-ups. If continues his current form, they will absolutely put more time in to him. How will he cope with extra attention? How will his ability to fly for marks go when opposition players are blocking him more off the ball? Will he be able to kick more goals from crumbing as opposed to set shots? These are the questions that I will have answered in his next 45 games, and I'm sure all start to get answered maybe later this year, but definitely moving in to 2019 and beyond. I'm enjoying what he is bringing to the team currently, but I'm also mindful that his role is one that good quality backlines can deal with quite easily.

Franky, I know you won't lose sleep over this, but the bolded part has seen you dead to me as a poster.

Apologies for having my own opinion. Actually, I'm not sorry at all. As I said, I'll come back to this thread after he plays 50 games, if he manages to.

I'm not going "all in" on this one yet. Has shown positive signs to date, but he's 5 games in to his career, and I'm not sure if the role he plays is something that will have a long term future in the game. Clearly I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I'll come back to this thread after his 50th (if that happens), and will reassess my views.

I'm a big ANB fan, but he has been ordinary this year. That said, he's clearly playing the role asked of him, as he has continued to get a run. What I would love to see added to his game is the ability to go to an opposition midfielder and shut them down. He has the tank to run with any player in the league, and playing on someone that will get him around the ball more could be a good thing for him. With that in mind, I'd be looking at him running with the likes of Jack Stevens this week. We will need someone to run with Steven, and I'd much prefer that Jones wasn't that man, as he is more value to us playing his own natural game.

In the lead up to the start of the season, I; Rounds 1-3 - hoped we'd be 3-0, but was willing to take 2-1 Rounds 4-9 - hoped we would go through this period 6-0 or 5-1. Again, I was willing to be 4-2 With that said, my bottom pass mark would be to sit 6 wins 3 losses after Round 9, which I still think is more likely than not.

That's not how it works on here. He could increase those things tenfold, win 3 Bluey's, a Brownlow and Norm Smith, but as soon as he has 1 miss-kick, there'll be a community coming down from the trees to berate him.

You've been saying we shouldn't chase him if he is pushed out?

Ah, so your contribution to this thread is that Wines could be pushed out of Port because of cap issues. But if that happens, we shouldn't be the ones chasing him? I'm sure you can understand why I have misinterpreted your point.

I can assure you of one thing - he WILL leave Port. Highly likely that it will be at the end of his career, but you can take it to the bank that he will stop playing for them one day. My initial issue was with your little fantasy of Wines being forced out of Port because of salary cap issues, but we'd be in a position to fit him in ours. You can create any scenario with imagination, so I admire you for that, but your views on this one were always going to be off the mark.

Ok, I will seek your views when this does actually happen, which it will, so I'd suggest you start considering your response.

Read the first 2 or 3 pages of this thread, in particular, yours, mine and DaveyDees discussions. You were hopeful that Port may have had salary cap issues, which could've forced Wines out. I was telling you that they wouldn't put themselves in the position of forcing out Wines because of the players they brought in. Now it looks certain he's extending for another 2 years, so I'm wondering what your thoughts are now on this topic.

@TeamPlayedFine39 @DaveyDee So, with the imminent extension to Wines' contract, can we presume that they will be breaching their salary cap? Or do we put it down to list management doing what they do best? I know which way I'm going.

Said it before, and will say it again, he's a rich man's Jeremy Howe.

Are these the 2018 "guns pics".

Sounds like a day in the life of uncle @Bitter but optimistic

You could also add MELB to the left cheek, and URNE to the right. Would create a nice balance...

I'm more concerned that things from the 90s are now considered "retro".

I think it was a bit busy, but could've easily been neatened up. Still think it's the best though, but it's a personal taste thing.

Probably in the minority, but I still love the Schwab-designed "shield" logo the most of all the above.

Think about it. Would they bring in Motlop and Rockliffe on big enough dollars to push one of their leaders, and best players, out of the club?

Never heard of front/backloading contracts? You are questioning experts in their field, all while using media reports as part of your weaponry. Truly amazing.

In the compensation formula, how much does a player's contract have to be worth to be deemed a 1st round compo pick? Let's not forget we got a 1st round pick for Frawley - his contract was around the $450k mark. The avg AFL salary is $371k - not exactly "poo-change" either. With the cap at some $12m+, $500k a season isn't a lot for a middle tier player. We have no idea how much each player is on, and by "we", I mean the media too. But sure, use their "reports" to help your argument if you wish, I just won't give your side any credit if you do.