Dr. Gonzo

I think you misunderstood the context of my post. Completely.

They're professionals, that's like saying in 1982 "what would Sheedy care about Essendon, he's an old Tiger from way back" Why should Peter Jackson get involved in list management decisions? Stop the "scattergun" of blame and look at the root cause, the common denominator.

Agreed, I think the Leadership Group are determined to get success, look at Jones and Viney's speeches last night. I like Jack Watts as a person and when he's "on" - I wish it didn't come to this.

Well it will depend on how it plays out. Say Watts nominates one club it makes it trickier for us. However most clubs these days are pretty good when it comes to the trade table (except apparently Essendon and the Crows) and won't try and stiff us cos they know next time if the shoes on the other foot we will reciprocate. I can't see us getting lower than a 3rd rounder for him. Put it this way, we would be pretty stupid to tell him to look at his options, send him around Australia looking at different clubs, talking to different clubs, nominating a club - and then we say, sorry we're not willing to send you there because we want a better draft pick. At the end of the day I think we'll take what we can get but we'll be hoping for a pick in the 20s.

But he won't ever be that player at Melbourne. That's the problem I think.

He won't go for a round 5 pick. We'll get a late 2nd founder at worst I'd say. POSSIBLY early 3rd founder but unlikely. Club has outlined their reasons for moving him on, that's not gonna change.

But but but not everyone has to be a hard trainer like Viney or Oliver. A club has to be made up of different types and different personalities. Kids and sponsors love Jack. Maybe what we see is what we get with Watts and it's just OUR expectations that are out of whack. It's our fault because we're expecting the Messiah and taking it out on him cause he didn't live up to the hype. Watts is already as good as he'll ever be it's just cause Goodwin hates him for some unknown reason that he's willing to get rid of a matchwinner and all round good guy in some bizarre attempt to cut of his nose to spite his face. I'm not renewing my membership. Or something. /sarcasm

Doubt it. I think their mind is made up regardless of what we get for him.

Ron I love your posts but I can't understand this comparison. Weideman is in his 2nd season, Watts in his 9th. Weideman may have underwhelmed so far but it's apples and oranges.

It was a joke, hence the

Viney probably got 100 votes each for the West Coast and Port games which would account for his high standing

I don't really know how they do the votes so it's pretty hard for me to comment really.

So if he got 4 extra votes across the season and finished 5th you would be happy? 10 extra votes and finished outright 3rd? It was tight, nothing malicious in it.

Played 16 games, same as Frost. Finished with 40 votes less. He was obviously good in the first half of the year and did what the coaches wanted, had to take on rucking duties and battled manfully.

Yeah Petracca another great performance in only his second full season. These two and Viney are gonna a fearsome midfield in 5 years.

Absolute freak. Even Viney can't keep up with him ? Imagine how good he'll be once he backs himself in to kick and attack more, such a great pick by the recruiters

Hibberd did get hurt by his opponent in games even if looking good rebounding out of 50. Not to say he was poor of course but some games where he looked close to BOG his opponent had kicked a few goals from memory.

Anyone have the final results leaderboard? Showed it for a split second.

Hibberd 3 votes behind Jetta, who was 6 votes behind Lewis/Jones I think - very close.

Holy crap - preseason, training, rehab - you know the things the coach, captain, footy manager have all been commenting on.

It's got nothing to due with "out-training" it's about exerting maximum effort, discipline and getting 100%, every last drop of potential, out of yourself. Some things can't be controlled. Effort, application, discipline can be controlled. What don't people understand about this?

Never watched a B&F before, they don't do round by round breakdowns?

His second half of the year was very good, didn't get the credit he deserved

Thought he was talking about Hibberd

Wow Lewis =3rd