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Nathan Wright (St Kilda) or Aaron Mullett (Nth Melb/Carlton) as potential cover as small defender in case Jetta were to get injured. Or if we were more interested in cover for key forwards then Aaron Black (Nth Melb/Geelong) or Ryan Schoenmakers (Hawthorn) who I believe hasn't signed are our best options IMO.

Agree re Port. I had them 12th and think they are likely to be out of the 8 for awhile. Get where you're coming from with Hawthorn also. I think they've topped up just enough for one more finals run (hence my prediction for 8th). But with retirements likely to come for Roughead, Burgoyne, Birchall, Puopolo, Frawley, Stratton & McEvoy by the end of 2020, I think a significant cliff is coming fast for Hawthorn!

1. Melbourne (this is the year!) 2. Collingwood 3. West Coast 4. Richmond 5. Essendon 6. Adelaide 7. Geelong 8. Hawthorn 9. GWS (the era is over) 10. North Melbourne 11. Sydney 12. Port Adelaide 13. Brisbane 14. Fremantle 15. Carlton 16. Western Bulldogs 17. St Kilda 18. Gold Coast

1. VACANT 12. Draftee (Potentially Sam Sturt) 16. Steven May (1 better then his 17 at GC) 21. Draftee (Potentially Jay Lockhart. Think we've had a Tassie HBF in 21 before....) 23. VACANT 27. Kade Kolodjashnij (1 better then his 28 he initially wore at the Suns) 32. Draftee (Potentially Toby Bedford) 34. DFA recruit (Potentially Nathan Wright, wore this no at St Kilda) 37. Braydon Preuss (like our 2 main rucks in 11 & 37) 40. Draftee (Potentially Mason Shaw) 41. Rookie Draftee (Potentially Corey Wagner, wore this no at Nth Melb) 43. VACANT 46. Guy Walker (Max Walker debuted in this no) 47. VACANT 48. VACANT 49. VACANT 50. Austin Bradtke (same no Mark wore)

We're essentially in agreement then, as that too is also my point. While some clubs/people may rate a certain player (Lockhart for example) around Pick 60, us and some other clubs may see him around Pick 25. What I do know is that Rawlings rates him very highly. You're thinking of Hutchins.

You may well be right. Time will tell I guess.

Please feel free to list all the experts who had Fritsch in the top 40. I mean you're welcome to shoot from the hip like that, but it works better if you have something to back it up.

As I said, we could look to take Lockhart as early as 28, but it could be later. Rating mature age draft prospects is all in the eye of the beholder. As for Fritsch, Cal Twomey didn't have him in his top 30, Kevin Sheehan in his top 40 or Knightmare in his top 50. So not sure who who you were referring to who ranked Fritsch up higher. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-22/callum-twomeys-2017-phantom-draft http://www.nmfc.com.au/news/2017-11-22/draft-sheehans-top-40 https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/knightmares-2017-draft-almanac.1161261/

You never know where the mature age state players will fall. I don't think any experts had Fritsch in the top 40 last year.

Still think we're a good chance of taking Jay in the national draft, just a question of where? We'll take the best kid at Pick 23, but we could take Jay anywhere from Pick 28 onwards. I'll be suprised if he isn't a Demon in 2019.

He's got a good initial 2m or so. After that his pace is just average.

Good thread that I think the majority have misunderstood. Tom McDonald & Weideman will clearly be the two key pillars in the senior team, but after that the only players we have in reserve for our key forwards are Tim Smith. In the 2018 season we had Weideman, Pedersen & Smith as reserve, so we need to recruit at least one key forward option in the draft or as a DFA. Best option in the draft with our pick 65 for me would be Mason Shaw out of the WAFL. 24 I think and has kicked over 140 goals in the last 3 years combined. Can also pinch hit in the ruck. As for a potential DFA, I haven't seen anyone that's jumped out at me yet apart from maybe Aaron Black. But we may be able to convince an uncontracted player to refuse a deal in front of them and then be delisted for us to pounce on. Someone like James Stewart from Essendon or even Menzel at Geelong who at a pinch you could play as an undersized key forward?

Nathan Wright as back up in the event Nevill were to get injured. We need another small defender in the squad.

Posted this in the Hogan thread: HOW TOMORROW WILL PLAY OUT: Brisbane trade Beams, Pick 32 & 55 to Collingwood for Pick 18 & Future 1st Rd Pick. Brisbane trade Pick 5 & 18 to Melbourne. Melbourne trade Hogan & Pick 36 to Fremantle. Fremantle trade Neale & Pick 30 to Brisbane Melbourne trade Pick 5 & Future 3rd Rd Pick to Gold Coast for May & KK This means Bellend can trade Pick 11 & 23 to GWS for Lobb & Pick 14. West Coast trade Picks 20 & 22 to GWS for Picks 11 & 47 West Coast trade Pick 11 to Geelong for Kelly. Bombers trade Pick 9 & Future 2nd Rd Pick to GWS for Shiel & Future 4th Rd Pick ($cully trade). Am I missing anything/anyone???

Reckon Bulldogs Pick 7 is as high as they'll get. Suns will be happy with 2, 3 & 5, Carlton wont trade 1, Saints want one of the Kings, so wont trade 4 and Port have 6. Nothing more to see....

Can't go past a Monte Carlo. Oldy but a goody! Oh and Jordan Roughead traded from Bulldogs to Collingwood for Pick 57. Dogs to refuse to trade Marcus Adams.

HOW TOMORROW WILL PLAY OUT: Brisbane trade Beams, Pick 32 & 55 to Collingwood for Pick 18 & Future 1st Rd Pick. Brisbane trade Pick 5 & 18 to Melbourne. Melbourne trade Hogan & Pick 36 to Fremantle. Fremantle trade Neale & Pick 30 to Brisbane Melbourne trade Pick 5 & Future 3rd Rd Pick to Gold Coast for May & KK This means Bellend can trade Pick 11 & 23 to GWS for Lobb & Pick 14. West Coast trade Picks 20 & 22 to GWS for Picks 11 & 47 West Coast trade Pick 11 to Geelong for Kelly. Bombers trade Pick 9 & Future 2nd Rd Pick to GWS for Shiel & Future 4th Rd Pick ($cully trade). Am I missing anything/anyone???

Cleary is misquoting Cameron. All Cameron said is that May's open to come to Melbourne (city) and his suitors (ie Melbourne & Collingwood) need to come up with suitable currency. Clubs aren't going to come from the clouds tomorrow and trade for a guy they haven't even done a medical on. It's an deliberate misquote non story. May will be with either Gold Coast or the Demons in 27 hours time.

BUMP (For the Cheese Board) With Hogan stil likely moving on (my opinion) I expect us to recruit a mature age forward late in the draft in the chance one of Weideman or Tommy Mc were to cop an injury. And three years later I still think this is our guy. http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/3931 Since going back to the WAFL he's kicked over 140 goals in the last three years! Averaging 11 touches, 6 marks and more then 2 goals a game. Will be 25 at the start of next season, has an ability to go into the ruck and could be a handy insurance selection for our first year post Hogan.

He's a moral grey area??

So your saying he doesn't say it??? Funny how you demand quotes from others to prove a point, but when the shoes on the other foot you're as defensive as Geoff Boycott on Day 1 of a Test at Lords on a Green top!

Where does he say he can't wait to see the back of the joint??? Actual quote please. Not your interpretation from a 10 second news grab.....

From what I can make of it, once you have a senior list the size of 38, there's a maximum number of rookies you can have, but nothing about minimum. Meaning no reason a squad of 38, 4 & 2 can't work. http://m.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/about-the-afl

Reckon we'll go with 38 senior list, 4 rookie list & 2 category B rookies for the year. 8 retirements/delistings and 3 trades out creates 11 vacancies. We've already got Bradtke & Walker coming in as Cat B rookies takes 2 spots. Trade in May, KK & Preuss makes 5. Use 4 Picks at the National Draft is 9. One Pick in the Rookie Draft is 10. One delisted free agent = 11.

What would people think of this scenario (in the spirit of getting the deal done): Brisbane trade Pick 5 to us & 32 to Fremantle Fremantle trade Lachie Neale to Brisbane & Pick 23 to us We trade Hogan to Fremantle & Pick 46 to Brisbane Means Brisbane loose Picks 5 & 32 but get Neale & Pick 46 Fremantle loose Neale & Pick 23 but get Hogan & Pick 32 We loose Hogan & Pick 46 but gain Picks 5 & 23. Fremantle can then trade Picks 11 & 49 to GWS for Lobb & Pick 25. We trade Pick 5 & future 3rd Round Pick to Gold Coast for May & KK. Finally knowing we have picks 54, 62 & 65 up out sleeve to match any bids from 30+ for Bedford, we package picks 23 & 36 to Richmond for Pick 17 & a late pick. Net Gains OUT: Hogan, Tyson, Kent, Pick 36, 46 & future 3rd Round Pick IN: May, KK, Preuss, Pick 17, Pick 62, Pick 65 That reads ok to me.