MadAsHell

Yep, that's why if the AFL approve them trading next years 1st Round Pick, Geelong will go into next years period having to trade into the first round.

No need. Would rather put another year into Nibbler. Our need is with the ruck, key backs & outside speed. Barlow addresses none of these things.

Have to get AFL approval. Means they've have to use their 1st Round Draft Pick in 2018 and trade back into the 1st Round next year somehow.

Do any of them want to go to Adelaide though given Lyons is happy to go to Gold Coast?

They totally shot themselves in the foot giving up 14 fot Mitchell first and trading themselves into a corner. I would have thought after getting Pick 23 for Hill they would simply off 14 & 23 for O'Meara or on-trade 23 for Lyons plus steak knives with Lyons etc heading to GC with 14. They then could have traded next years1st Round Pick for Mitchell as your starting point. Where they are now, would Pick 10 to the Crows be enough for them to send 13 & Lyons to Gold Coast? I'm not sure....

Well Pick 36 this year was held by a club that was knocked out in a semi, so I hardly think we're going to win the flag. You obviously don't think any free agents will move next year if you think Pick 36 will stay with the premiers.

So your obviously assuming that we're destined for a bottom 4-6 finish then if you think our 2nd Round Pick next year will be around 26 after free agent compensation etc?

So we don't go a full year without injecting any young talent.

Next move. Dunn, Pick 57 & 59 (340 points) to the filth for Picks 47 (316) & 83 (0) . Puts them in a better position re father/sons. The trade next years future 2nd Round Pick to Saints for 36.

So is a future 2nd Round Pick though, especially in what will be a stronger draft.

Touche

I heard that. Maybe Mahoney, Taylor and co have a plan over the next 24 hours to trade back into the 2nd round some how, so maybe that's why we'd be willing to give it up. Otherwise it may well just be a Essendon mouth piece thing which Lloyd most certainly is.

I reckon we may play Russian roulette and have him go into the PSD. Put a price on his head and have him declare he refuses to move interstate. Essendon wont re-draft him, and after that he will need to get past Brisbane, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Carlton, Richmond & Collingwood

The Age said negotiations for Essendon defender Michael Hibberd's move to Melbourne were not progressing, with the Demons insisting that the Bombers accept a second-round pick for next season rather than this year's second-round pick. I don't think we're going to be the ones to blink first.

The filth wont do that deal as it leaves them with less points then they already have for their F/S selections. Significantly less in fact as Pick 85 comes with 0 points. Best we could hope for from the filth is upgrade 57 to 47 or get in on the Cloke deal and get Pick 61 from the Dogs.

He could rid himself of that reputation by accepting our 2017 2nd Round Pick.

FB: O. McDonald, Frost, Jetta HB: Lumumba, T. McDonald, Hibberd (assuming we get him) C: Vince, Jones, Lewis HF: Petracca, Hogan, Kent FF: Watts, TBA, Garlett FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney INT: Brayshaw, Hunt, Salem, Tyson EMERG: Melksham, Pedersen, Stretch TBA could be any of Pedersen, a late trade for Nathan Vardy, a big pre-season by Liam Hulett or drafting a Darcy Cameron. Just someone to play the 2nd ruck/fwd role. But it's starting to look like a pretty decent team.

Stewart is likely worth slightly more then Garland, however our 2017 2nd rounder is likely worth more then Pick 37 this year. That's how that element should work itself out. From Essendon's end if they think Hibberd is worth a 2016 2nd rounder (specifically 29) then 37 with Stewart should balance out. From our end we get what we want in that we can use our 2017 pick rather then this years, however also have to cough up Garland for that luxury.

On closer thought, any three way deal with GWS re: Stewart could be as simple as: MFC 2017 2nd Round Pick & Col Garland to GWS Stewart & Pick 37 to Essendon Hibberd to Melbourne We keep Pick 29 and Essendon get their precious 2016 2nd Round Pick.

I do hope there is still some good faithshown between the paties. For example if we relented and give them 29 this year then they'll give us something else with Hibberd. Eg Pick 41. If they accept next years Pick then we should throw Pick 57 their way or someone like JKH or Nibbler.

Good point. We could probably keep 57 or send it to GWS so they get something else to make it more appealing from their end. Essendon; OUT - Hibberd & 41. IN - Stewart & 29. GWS; OUT - Stewart & 37. IN - Garland, 41 & 57. Melbourne; OUT - Garland, 29 & 57. IN - Hibberd & 37. Use 37 & 68 at the draft.

With reports suggesting that James Stewart has nominated Essendon as his club of choice ahead of Carlton, maybe we could get involved seeing as Essendon are playing hardball re: 2nd Round Picks. For example we send Garland (Patfull replacement) to GWS & Picks 29 & 57 to Essendon GWS send Stewart to Essendon & Pick 37 back to us. Essendon send Hibberd to us & Pick 41 to GWS So for us it's Garland, Picks 29 & 57 out. Hibberd & Pick 37 in. Essendon it's Hibberd & Pick 41 out. Stewart & Picks 29 & 57 in. GWS it's Stewart & 37 out. Garland & Pick 41 in.

As I posted earlier. I'm hoping for a three way involving Witts to GC and Pick 62.

Given he's contracted we could maybe wait till the trade is finalized.

Makes sense for them. With Keefe coming off 2 years off he affords him time to get back up to speed and for the filth to find another young key back and get some miles into their legs at VFL level. Happy for Dunn to get another gig.